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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:31 NeoLearner wrote: Better yet, 2 Zerg. With one of them being from oGs and ranked #687 in the world. Is this the other guy? I think not, JSL played few days ago | ||
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:33 sleepingdog wrote: I'm surprised and very disappointed to read that from someone who is a caster sc2 - like any other "sport" - lives from people watching because only then sponsors will bring in money; I sure as hell wouldn't be watching sc2 if every game were about cheese and defending against it; I got better things to do than watching such crap so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money It's good drama how are people like personally offended by cheese it's hilarious. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:33 sleepingdog wrote: I'm surprised and very disappointed to read that from someone who is a caster sc2 - like any other "sport" - lives from people watching because only then sponsors will bring in money; I sure as hell wouldn't be watching sc2 if every game were about cheese and defending against it; I got better things to do than watching such crap so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money How you can compare cheesing to doping is beyond me. You're assuming everyone instnatly rages at any cheese attempt, that ain't true. Thing is, there are more 'real' games than cheesy games so I don't see what your gripe is. The players will obviously play to win, not to entertain. | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:31 forklift wrote: this is the most obnoxious holier-than-thou type of post. uh yeah, we get WHY people cheese--because it leads to fucking winning. and everybody likes winning. herp derp. doesn't mean we as an audience like watching it. Seconded. Everything you've said has been said many times, just let it ride. If you honestly think you need to explain why proxying or cheesing can lead to wins, then you are clueless. It's an LR thread on a match being spectated and most people find cheese fucking boring OR they don't like seeing a popular player go down to it. That's it. | ||
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
Best thing ever. <3 | ||
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:31 NeoLearner wrote: Better yet, 2 Zerg. With one of them being from oGs and ranked #687 in the world. Is this the other guy? No that isn't the other guy, JSLZenith already played in this tourney | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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Mato
Australia412 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:30 Dommk wrote: I just make observations, never have I came out and said T was overpowered, most of the time I just ask questions (like in this thread). But I love it how some players feel the need to lash out, hope that helps you sleep at night. Claim whatever you want, its fairly obvious why you would quote such a statistic after such a game. Likewise, I'm sure it helps you sleep knowing the only reason you lose to Terrans is "imbalance". On topic, excited to see the first zvz (i think?) of gsl. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:33 sleepingdog wrote: I'm surprised and very disappointed to read that from someone who is a caster sc2 - like any other "sport" - lives from people watching because only then sponsors will bring in money; I sure as hell wouldn't be watching sc2 if every game were about cheese and defending against it; I got better things to do than watching such crap so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money Blowing things out of proportion much? How many proxies have you seen in this tournament again? It's certainly not about doing it every game but when you mix in a random cheese strategy into your arsenal it makes you a much stronger player all around. This makes the sport stronger in the long run in that the top players have to be able to defeat it. Top level toss player? Can't beat cheese? Well you're not going to win a huge tournament. How is that a bad thing, it's not cheating comparing it to doping is stupid. | ||
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NeoLearner
Belgium1847 Posts
Okay, that was a dumb question. JSLZenith is Terran  Seems like there are a lot of 1000+ Zenith players on the Korean Ladder. Popular name I guessEDIT: Is anybody still following the game? I'd like to know what's happening | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:36 NeoLearner wrote: Okay, that was a dumb question. JSLZenith is Terran Seems like there are a lot of 1000+ Zenith players on the Korean Ladder. Popular name I guessIts a clan tag | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:32 HuHEN wrote: Ok, we all know terran is overpowered, anyone can look at the ladder stats and look at tournament results and see it, but genius sealed his fate with poor scouting, anyone that blames that series on imbalance is foolish. that wasn't my point my point was, that people (who mostly feel to defend terran) downtalk some of the best players out there really hard; just imagine when idra lost to some kinky shit - people don't start like "woot, totally overrated" jangminchul, escjung, nexgenius....all of them have had great success so far and played amazing games against top-skilled opponents; people need to show some respect, just losing two games in a tournament doesn't mean anything | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:36 NeoLearner wrote: Okay, that was a dumb question. JSLZenith is Terran Seems like there are a lot of 1000+ Zenith players on the Korean Ladder. Popular name I guessEDIT: Is anybody still following the game? I'd like to know what's happening http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Lumi roach openingfrom both sides | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:30 Dionyseus wrote: The weird thing is NexGenius has like 700 games in the ladder, you'd think he'd know how to deal with cheese... Oh dammmn conspiracy time!.... he threw the game. Think about it, top ladder player thinks he can't win the whole thing so decides to make some money. 1) scouts hilariously late 2) when he does scout game 2 he doesn't scout the main and "coincidently" misses both proxys. 3) responds horribly, pulling way too many probes/controlling poorly/not killing bunkers. | ||
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Aquafresh
United States824 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:33 sleepingdog wrote: so from the perspective of the player, yes, it makes sense to do everything to win; for basketball/soccer/whaterver-players it makes sense to even play unfairly to win; for cyclists it makes sense to dope, because most of them won't get caught but we as a community have the frickin right to hate them for doing this if we feel like it...because we are watching them and indirectly providing the source for their money So you completely went off the deep end and destroyed your point when you compared using a strategy arbitrarily labeled "cheese" and compared it with "playing unfairly" and straight up cheating through the use of banned drugs. Did you seriously just do that? Unreal... | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On September 13 2010 19:37 Klive5ive wrote: Oh dammmn conspiracy time!.... he threw the game. Think about it, top ladder player thinks he can't win the whole thing so decides to make some money. 1) scouts hilariously late 2) when he does scout game 2 he doesn't scout the main and "coincidently" misses both proxys. 3) responds horribly, pulling way too many probes/controlling poorly/not killing bunkers. Dont even go there -.- srsly | ||
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DminusTerran
Canada1337 Posts
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theherder2
United States538 Posts
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