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Rizzelet
Profile Joined February 2008
United States74 Posts
August 28 2010 04:32 GMT
#3641
vods will most likely be up 3-5 days after the event, maybe you can find some earlier on youtube


Thanks for the reply. You wouldn't happen to have a source for that information, would you?
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:34:02
August 28 2010 04:33 GMT
#3642
On August 28 2010 13:32 Ownos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:22 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:19 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:14 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:12 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:10 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:04 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:03 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:00 Musoeun wrote:
On August 28 2010 12:59 keV. wrote:
If a wow player wins SC2, TL will collapse upon itself.


No we'll just get 300 threads saying "See, SC2 really doesn't take skill MBS automine huge group select dumb maps yaddayaddayadda BW RULES".

Or maybe that's what you meant.


Well i guess ill make the argument in this thread before that happens. High level WoW arena takes and insane amount of skill. A lot of which translates into high apm and the ability think very dynamically.


This.

Despite the imbalances in WoW, PvP Arena is actually pretty damn hard. TL people have this elitist attitude which kind of derives from the BW days, but realistically there are many games nowadays which require people to be just as on top of their game as SC 2, at least in terms of unit control and APM.



WoW pvp is still horrible because the game wasnt built for it and has to cater to two different crowds of people. It will never take as much skill as SC 2.


High level arena takes at least as much skill as Sc2. Random wow pvp takes as much skill as dominating the bronze league does. I think your miking the 2 up.



No, it doesnt. The fact Blizzard has to try and balance around two different aspects of the game makes it inherently more imbalanced.


Have you ever even seen high level wow arena? Ever watched it in person? The amount of things that go on in a single match boggles the mind.
Balance has little to do with how much skill people have in top level play... If you knew anything about the pro arena scene, you would know that there is no 1 specific comp is dominating it.



The state of the game is so fluid it's had dozens of compositions that were optimal or best. WoW is a mess with pvp balance and starting en e-sport out of that is flawed to begin with.


A game doesn't need to be balanced, or even good, to have a competitive scene.

There's even competitive rock, paper, scissors (I'm serious).



If it's imbalanced its hard to respect the game in general from a competitive point of view. You need as even a playing field as possible.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:34:38
August 28 2010 04:33 GMT
#3643
On August 28 2010 13:32 Iggyhopper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:31 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:28 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:26 Iggyhopper wrote:
WoW players can transition to SC2. It doesn't mean they're in the same league. One camera angle vs. a whole map, army, or base?

No.


I think Nadagast advancing and beating some good players proves you don't know what your talking about. He is obviously in the same league.
So he is good at StarCraft II? You still haven't changed anything with what you said.

All that matters is that he had to up his ante when he switched.

Anyway, this WoW talk is seriously retarded. Is IdrA on tomorrow?


You make all this ruckus, and then ask a question like "Is IdrA on tomorrow?"

Lol.
I know right? I just wanted to get into the WoW-rage fight because all the cool kids are doing it.


It's certainly more cool than a question that can be answered by reading the news post about who was actually invited.
Masq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1792 Posts
August 28 2010 04:33 GMT
#3644
so much hate -_-
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
August 28 2010 04:33 GMT
#3645
will any replays be posted tonight ? anyone know?
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
August 28 2010 04:33 GMT
#3646
On August 28 2010 13:32 Rizzelet wrote:
Show nested quote +
vods will most likely be up 3-5 days after the event, maybe you can find some earlier on youtube


Thanks for the reply. You wouldn't happen to have a source for that information, would you?


If you tune into their stream on MLG's website they will be doing replays of todays cast if you have about 5 hours to kill.
Brood War forever!
Iggyhopper
Profile Joined July 2010
United States259 Posts
August 28 2010 04:35 GMT
#3647
On August 28 2010 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:32 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:31 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:28 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:26 Iggyhopper wrote:
WoW players can transition to SC2. It doesn't mean they're in the same league. One camera angle vs. a whole map, army, or base?

No.


I think Nadagast advancing and beating some good players proves you don't know what your talking about. He is obviously in the same league.
So he is good at StarCraft II? You still haven't changed anything with what you said.

All that matters is that he had to up his ante when he switched.

Anyway, this WoW talk is seriously retarded. Is IdrA on tomorrow?


You make all this ruckus, and then ask a question like "Is IdrA on tomorrow?"

Lol.
I know right? I just wanted to get into the WoW-rage fight because all the cool kids are doing it.


It's certainly more cool than a question that can be answered by reading the first post in the thread.
Reading isn't cool either. Yeah I read, but there's so many names, I'll just Ctrl+F IdrA then.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 28 2010 04:35 GMT
#3648
Continuing to talk about SC2 vs WoW in LR threads will result in warnings and then bans.

What you people fail to realize is that good gamers are just good gamers. They can transfer among games and be excellent at many types. Regardless of WoW gameplay itself, playing it isn't a handicap to being good at other games.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
ekaj
Profile Joined February 2010
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:36:11
August 28 2010 04:35 GMT
#3649
On August 28 2010 13:35 Iggyhopper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:32 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:31 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:28 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:26 Iggyhopper wrote:
WoW players can transition to SC2. It doesn't mean they're in the same league. One camera angle vs. a whole map, army, or base?

No.


I think Nadagast advancing and beating some good players proves you don't know what your talking about. He is obviously in the same league.
So he is good at StarCraft II? You still haven't changed anything with what you said.

All that matters is that he had to up his ante when he switched.

Anyway, this WoW talk is seriously retarded. Is IdrA on tomorrow?


You make all this ruckus, and then ask a question like "Is IdrA on tomorrow?"

Lol.
I know right? I just wanted to get into the WoW-rage fight because all the cool kids are doing it.


It's certainly more cool than a question that can be answered by reading the first post in the thread.
Reading isn't cool either. Yeah I read, but there's so many names, I'll just Ctrl+F IdrA then.


idra is in korea playing in the gsl dooder
w2w
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 28 2010 04:35 GMT
#3650
On August 28 2010 13:32 Ownos wrote:
A game doesn't need to be balanced, or even good, to have a competitive scene.

There's even competitive rock, paper, scissors (I'm serious).

That game is a total POS. No APM required and ROCK is IMBA!!!
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 28 2010 04:36 GMT
#3651
On August 28 2010 13:33 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:32 Ownos wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:22 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:19 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:14 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:12 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:10 Serpico wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:04 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:03 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:00 Musoeun wrote:
[quote]

No we'll just get 300 threads saying "See, SC2 really doesn't take skill MBS automine huge group select dumb maps yaddayaddayadda BW RULES".

Or maybe that's what you meant.


Well i guess ill make the argument in this thread before that happens. High level WoW arena takes and insane amount of skill. A lot of which translates into high apm and the ability think very dynamically.


This.

Despite the imbalances in WoW, PvP Arena is actually pretty damn hard. TL people have this elitist attitude which kind of derives from the BW days, but realistically there are many games nowadays which require people to be just as on top of their game as SC 2, at least in terms of unit control and APM.



WoW pvp is still horrible because the game wasnt built for it and has to cater to two different crowds of people. It will never take as much skill as SC 2.


High level arena takes at least as much skill as Sc2. Random wow pvp takes as much skill as dominating the bronze league does. I think your miking the 2 up.



No, it doesnt. The fact Blizzard has to try and balance around two different aspects of the game makes it inherently more imbalanced.


Have you ever even seen high level wow arena? Ever watched it in person? The amount of things that go on in a single match boggles the mind.
Balance has little to do with how much skill people have in top level play... If you knew anything about the pro arena scene, you would know that there is no 1 specific comp is dominating it.



The state of the game is so fluid it's had dozens of compositions that were optimal or best. WoW is a mess with pvp balance and starting en e-sport out of that is flawed to begin with.


A game doesn't need to be balanced, or even good, to have a competitive scene.

There's even competitive rock, paper, scissors (I'm serious).



If it's imbalanced its hard to respect the game in general from a competitive point of view. You need as even a playing field as possible.


Can't argue with that. I, too, shook my head when Blizzard insisted on making WoW Arena an eSport. But w/e right?
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Killerkrack
Profile Joined August 2010
664 Posts
August 28 2010 04:36 GMT
#3652
On August 28 2010 13:32 Rizzelet wrote:
Show nested quote +
vods will most likely be up 3-5 days after the event, maybe you can find some earlier on youtube


Thanks for the reply. You wouldn't happen to have a source for that information, would you?

I've been following MLG for a few years now and I know that it usually takes them a few days after the event to get all of the different replays and different side match vods up. However you can watch a replay of today on the SC2 stream later tonight if you want.
Iggyhopper
Profile Joined July 2010
United States259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 04:42:44
August 28 2010 04:38 GMT
#3653
On August 28 2010 13:35 ekaj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 13:35 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:33 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:32 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:32 Azarkon wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:31 Iggyhopper wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:28 Raji wrote:
On August 28 2010 13:26 Iggyhopper wrote:
WoW players can transition to SC2. It doesn't mean they're in the same league. One camera angle vs. a whole map, army, or base?

No.


I think Nadagast advancing and beating some good players proves you don't know what your talking about. He is obviously in the same league.
So he is good at StarCraft II? You still haven't changed anything with what you said.

All that matters is that he had to up his ante when he switched.

Anyway, this WoW talk is seriously retarded. Is IdrA on tomorrow?


You make all this ruckus, and then ask a question like "Is IdrA on tomorrow?"

Lol.
I know right? I just wanted to get into the WoW-rage fight because all the cool kids are doing it.


It's certainly more cool than a question that can be answered by reading the first post in the thread.
Reading isn't cool either. Yeah I read, but there's so many names, I'll just Ctrl+F IdrA then.


idra is in korea playing in the gsl dooder
noooooooo oooooooooooo!
forklift
Profile Joined August 2010
United States98 Posts
August 28 2010 04:39 GMT
#3654
Watch this:


Then watch the explanation here:


Wow arena is not about multitasking and mouse accuracy, being able to click the click the right units and give them the correct command, or about remember your builds and keeping track of ten unit-producing structures and multiple expansions and worker production and supply and blah blah blah--most of these things are NOT ON THE SCREEN.

Wow arena is about prediction, its about positioning, it's about reaction time, it's about muscle memory in clicking the correct one out of 20 spells you will use during the fight at the exact time you need to, it's about teamwork, it's about being able to situational awareness, paying attention to a billion things that ARE ON YOUR SCREEN at the same time (your combat text, your life/mana bar, watching enemies' cast animations and spell effects to instantly diagnose what they are doing and what you need to respond with, and how far they are and whether you can get there in time/get away in time).

I guarantee you watching a TOURNAMENT level Wow 3s player (lol @ using the random 2200 arena metagame to paint a picture of the highest level of play) you will not understand a single goddamn thing they are doing. Everything happens way too fast for all of you "LOL WOW IS EZ MODE" trolls to make any sense of.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
August 28 2010 04:42 GMT
#3655
^ Give it a rest please. Mod has already issued a warning.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Raji
Profile Joined April 2010
United States31 Posts
August 28 2010 04:43 GMT
#3656
On August 28 2010 13:42 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ Give it a rest please. Mod has already issued a warning.


He obviously was working on that post before the mod posted the warning. It is long and well thought out, and i hope he doesn't receive a warning for it.
Sucka
Ginchan
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium55 Posts
August 28 2010 04:43 GMT
#3657
On August 28 2010 13:42 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ Give it a rest please. Mod has already issued a warning.

he probally written it all and hadn't refreshed the page to see the mod warning
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 28 2010 04:43 GMT
#3658
Onto MLG Day 2!
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
MatiNO
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia327 Posts
August 28 2010 04:49 GMT
#3659
repsssss?????????????????????
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 28 2010 04:52 GMT
#3660
No reps I think.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
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