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On July 21 2010 00:29 DC Elite wrote:
There are some good games, but these invitationals for beta 'king' are so stupid since people like Masq has been beating the crap out of all these players lately but didnt get an invite to be 'king'.
LOL, that doesn't mean anything, did your "Masq" achieve anything in open tournaments like Go4SC2 or Zotac ?
Ladder games don't mean sh*t
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It's pretty easy to critisize idrA after the fact, but truth be told he wasn't even sitting back. Tester was doing a good job of nearly forcing an engagement, then backing off in the nick of time, killing the destructo rocks and faking attacks on both fronts, forcing idrA to either be passive OR take a gamble, and he doesn't seem the gambling sort. It seemed to me like idrA didn't want to attack with his hydra heavy army untill he was finished spreading creep far enough, getting enough money/larvae ready and finishing upgrades, so he was 100% sure he would win. He didn't have ample time to respond to collosus and that cost him (very nice FF usage by tester in the final battle also)
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nice interesting games... would be nice to see WhiteRa try a new strat vs terran but none the less guess he doesn't really have to  , tester showing some nice use forcefield vs that hydralisk heavy army, looking forward to TLO's games... always brings some interesting games aside from these fast games, can't wait for TLO vs Idra
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On July 21 2010 00:36 eNbee wrote:
It's pretty easy to critisize idrA after the fact, but truth be told he wasn't even sitting back. Tester was doing a good job of nearly forcing an engagement, then backing off in the nick of time, killing the destructo rocks and faking attacks on both fronts, forcing idrA to either be passive OR take a gamble, and he doesn't seem the gambling sort. It seemed to me like idrA didn't want to attack with his hydra heavy army untill he was finished spreading creep far enough, getting enough money/larvae ready and finishing upgrades, so he was 100% sure he would win. He didn't have ample time to respond to collosus and that cost him (very nice FF usage by tester in the final battle also)
Or he coulda scouted. Or built more static D to ward off the stalker pokes. Or thought for 2 seconds about what any protoss player wants to build in the face of only hydras.
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On July 21 2010 00:34 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:29 DC Elite wrote:
There are some good games, but these invitationals for beta 'king' are so stupid since people like Masq has been beating the crap out of all these players lately but didnt get an invite to be 'king'. LOL, that doesn't mean anything, did your "Masq" achieve anything in open tournaments like Go4SC2 or Zotac ? Ladder games don't mean sh*t
http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraft
Hes beating white-ra and idra, def should be considered for an invitational. I odnt know if he has won any tourny's, probably not invitationals since all those use the same old tired players, but im excited to see some new faces stick it to the older dusty 'pros'.
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imo idra should've built a few infestors with neural parasite and let tester completely into his base splitting his forces north and south and get a surround off while snatching those collosus... that is if tester decided to poke in there a bit further if he saw nothing there... but then again idra didnt' know about the colossus until it was too late but... as the above poster stated he really should've expected them
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On July 21 2010 00:50 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote:
imo idra should've built a few infestors with neural parasite and let tester completely into his base splitting his forces north and south and get a surround off while snatching those collosus... that is if tester decided to poke in there a bit further if he saw nothing there... but then again idra didnt' know about the colossus until it was too late but... as the above poster stated he really should've expected them
did all you guys miss Idra's changeling which scouted the first 2 colossi?
It's not Idra's fault that 4 Colossi totally can turn the tides and you have them out that quickly from 2 chronboosted robos. He had little time to react. He could have assumed Colossi, surely, and could have menaged that battle better, but it's not like he played blindly w/out scouting, Tester prepared for that timing attack well.
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On July 21 2010 00:48 DC Elite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:34 Lylat wrote:On July 21 2010 00:29 DC Elite wrote:
There are some good games, but these invitationals for beta 'king' are so stupid since people like Masq has been beating the crap out of all these players lately but didnt get an invite to be 'king'. LOL, that doesn't mean anything, did your "Masq" achieve anything in open tournaments like Go4SC2 or Zotac ? Ladder games don't mean sh*t http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraftHes beating white-ra and idra, def should be considered for an invitational. I odnt know if he has won any tourny's, probably not invitationals since all those use the same old tired players, but im excited to see some new faces stick it to the older dusty 'pros'.
Those are just 3 games, the have played tons. Masq has been in some of the weekly open tourneys and turned in zero results. Hes good that isnt in question, but before getting invited to a tourney like this he needs some tourney results not just ladder. Also if you watch the 3rd game where he says who he has played recently, where are the vods for those games it is not like he doesnt lose. (110-68 on usa ladder 688 rating) Hes good, but until he gets some more results in open tourneys he cant complain about not being in invite only tourneys, espically ones with only 8 players.
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On July 21 2010 00:57 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:50 TheOGBlitzKrieg wrote:
imo idra should've built a few infestors with neural parasite and let tester completely into his base splitting his forces north and south and get a surround off while snatching those collosus... that is if tester decided to poke in there a bit further if he saw nothing there... but then again idra didnt' know about the colossus until it was too late but... as the above poster stated he really should've expected them did all you guys miss Idra's changeling which scouted the first 2 colossi? It's not Idra's fault that 4 Colossi totally can turn the tides and you have them out that quickly from 2 chronboosted robos. He had little time to react. He could have assumed Colossi, surely, and could have menaged that battle better, but it's not like he played blindly w/out scouting, Tester prepared for that timing attack well.
He had like 5 mins to respond from the time Tester started building the robo bays!
"Timing attack"???
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On July 21 2010 00:48 DC Elite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:34 Lylat wrote:On July 21 2010 00:29 DC Elite wrote:
There are some good games, but these invitationals for beta 'king' are so stupid since people like Masq has been beating the crap out of all these players lately but didnt get an invite to be 'king'. LOL, that doesn't mean anything, did your "Masq" achieve anything in open tournaments like Go4SC2 or Zotac ? Ladder games don't mean sh*t http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraftHes beating white-ra and idra, def should be considered for an invitational. I odnt know if he has won any tourny's, probably not invitationals since all those use the same old tired players, but im excited to see some new faces stick it to the older dusty 'pros'.
Having won few matches against top players doesn't mean anything. Many top players play ladder just for testing purposes.
Winning in tournaments is what counts and I haven't seen Masq in any of the tournaments.
I would bet there are a lot of games where Masq is getting a royal beating but they are just not casted because the only reason HD casted those was the shock effect of them losing. Him getting his ass handed to him wouldn't have brought the same viewers.
Seeing one game where he defeated WhiteRa doesn't mean he is better than him.
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On July 21 2010 00:48 DC Elite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:34 Lylat wrote:On July 21 2010 00:29 DC Elite wrote:
There are some good games, but these invitationals for beta 'king' are so stupid since people like Masq has been beating the crap out of all these players lately but didnt get an invite to be 'king'. LOL, that doesn't mean anything, did your "Masq" achieve anything in open tournaments like Go4SC2 or Zotac ? Ladder games don't mean sh*t http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraftHes beating white-ra and idra, def should be considered for an invitational. I odnt know if he has won any tourny's, probably not invitationals since all those use the same old tired players, but im excited to see some new faces stick it to the older dusty 'pros'.
Just beating a few good players usually isn't enough to warrant an invite since you probably have to invite a ton of players. Most top players has a win percentage between 60-80 as far as I've seen. That's plenty of games lost, and not all of them can come from well-known players. Masq is defiantly a very good player, but if he wants to get more invites he should play more open tournaments and win. That said, I wouldn't mind him (or someone similar) getting invites, but you can't expect them to get it just because they have beating some good players.
Edit: Seems like my post was a bit overkill, with the two above me posting while I typed. 
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Regardless of what Idra did, he gave up on both maps so easily that it made me lose what little respect I had of him. He didn't even try to win till the end, he just flat out gave up and that tells me right there that you cannot be a great player in any game when you boo boo cry all the way home when something doesn't go your way.
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Think Idra could have gotten hive tech running before the 4 collossus timing. Dunno, seems weird to lose from that position, but I'm not good enough to comment.
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On July 21 2010 00:48 DC Elite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:34 Lylat wrote:On July 21 2010 00:29 DC Elite wrote:
There are some good games, but these invitationals for beta 'king' are so stupid since people like Masq has been beating the crap out of all these players lately but didnt get an invite to be 'king'. LOL, that doesn't mean anything, did your "Masq" achieve anything in open tournaments like Go4SC2 or Zotac ? Ladder games don't mean sh*t http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraftHes beating white-ra and idra, def should be considered for an invitational. I odnt know if he has won any tourny's, probably not invitationals since all those use the same old tired players, but im excited to see some new faces stick it to the older dusty 'pros'.
Ladder games don't mean anything. If you're going to watch videos like that, do it purely for entertainment.
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On July 21 2010 01:17 Piy wrote:
Think Idra could have gotten hive tech running before the 4 collossus timing. Dunno, seems weird to lose from that position, but I'm not good enough to comment.
I have to go back and check, but it feels unlikely that idra could have teched up to hive and have large enough army (using the hive) at that point in the game to hold off Tester.
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On July 21 2010 00:36 eNbee wrote:
It's pretty easy to critisize idrA after the fact, but truth be told he wasn't even sitting back. Tester was doing a good job of nearly forcing an engagement, then backing off in the nick of time, killing the destructo rocks and faking attacks on both fronts, forcing idrA to either be passive OR take a gamble, and he doesn't seem the gambling sort. It seemed to me like idrA didn't want to attack with his hydra heavy army untill he was finished spreading creep far enough, getting enough money/larvae ready and finishing upgrades, so he was 100% sure he would win. He didn't have ample time to respond to collosus and that cost him (very nice FF usage by tester in the final battle also)
Not trying to take anything away from the player he played admirably (although not as good as tester) but clearly a better player than i am. But if you are going to take this perspective you really do need to be following through with this rather than sitting with hydra 200/200 all game long which is why idra lost, unit composition. In his pursuit of engaging with a perfect hydralisk army he lost all contact with what should subsequent this.
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Did anyone else facepalm when QXC saw double gas with 1gate/cyber core and then proceeded to push out with his only rines?
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Doesnt anyone here know that Idra and Tester used to be in eSTRO? Tester is a respected senior to almost all the sc1 and sc2 players and a super senior of Idra. What would his teammates and coach think if he rage quits on Tester?
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On July 21 2010 01:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Ladder games don't mean anything. If you're going to watch videos like that, do it purely for entertainment.
Yet again Nony is right. Look at Iris. Back when Division 2 was stacked Iris was the #1-#3 at all times on the ladder. I bring him to the ITL and he gets ROFLstomped two times in a row,
A good ladder player is not necessarily a good tournament player.
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On July 21 2010 01:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2010 00:48 DC Elite wrote:On July 21 2010 00:34 Lylat wrote:On July 21 2010 00:29 DC Elite wrote:
There are some good games, but these invitationals for beta 'king' are so stupid since people like Masq has been beating the crap out of all these players lately but didnt get an invite to be 'king'. LOL, that doesn't mean anything, did your "Masq" achieve anything in open tournaments like Go4SC2 or Zotac ? Ladder games don't mean sh*t http://www.youtube.com/user/HDstarcraftHes beating white-ra and idra, def should be considered for an invitational. I odnt know if he has won any tourny's, probably not invitationals since all those use the same old tired players, but im excited to see some new faces stick it to the older dusty 'pros'. Ladder games don't mean anything. If you're going to watch videos like that, do it purely for entertainment.
IF that's the case then past SC1 results should not mean anything in terms of SC2 skill and free invites to tourneys. It's a different game.
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