• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:23
CET 13:23
KST 21:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview11Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)38
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 KSL Week 85 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship $70 Prize Pool Ladder Legends Academy Weekly Open!
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? BW General Discussion [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Bleak Future After Failed ProGaming Career
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Let's Get Creative–Video Gam…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1436 users

17173.com Starcraft 2 World Cup - Page 47

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 45 46 47 48 49 148 Next
Prodtoss
Profile Joined May 2010
China849 Posts
May 21 2010 08:28 GMT
#921
On May 21 2010 17:23 koshka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 17:22 jws wrote:
too many spine crawlers not enuf mutas


jap this wall was kind off strange


Maginot Line,LOL
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 21 2010 08:28 GMT
#922
On May 21 2010 17:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
And here's the point I want to make, and I'm glad you actually made an effort (I wont bother pointing out which ones are the absurd examples, since I'd hope most people can tell). Those are all of the things you can think of, when he has hundreds of games of SC2 during its varied patches before the game is actually released. You're making a claim he can't play ZvZ based on a sample side of a game that is constantly being patched with weak evidence.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or argue; but do not pretend to have some knowledge the rest of us don't regarding Idra's abilities at SC2 based upon mediocre assumptions and poor anecdotal evidence.


Those are the results where it mattered. Sure, IdrA might have held off a hundred different cheeses in ladder, but ladder is not a representative of pro-league play. My point regarding ZvZ is that ZvZ games are usually decided quickly - either by a successful rush that leads to the rusher's victory, or by an unsuccessful rush that leads to the rusher being vastly behind. There are rarely games where each player macros up with the confidence that the other one cannot break him.

And I'm not saying that I have any more knowledge than the "rest of you." I'm simply giving my opinion as to what IdrA's strengths and weaknesses might be.

People do that all the time.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 08:30:34
May 21 2010 08:30 GMT
#923
On May 21 2010 17:24 zTz wrote:
Azarkon what are you trying to say/prove??

Take it to a different forum...


WTF is with the attitude. Look at any of the threads on this forum. EVERYONE gives their opinions about the players.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 21 2010 08:31 GMT
#924
Don't cheese the freedom!!
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 21 2010 08:31 GMT
#925
somebody watched JD vs calm last night. lol
Woo Jung Ho
jws
Profile Joined May 2010
Taiwan56 Posts
May 21 2010 08:31 GMT
#926
On May 21 2010 17:31 HolydaKing wrote:
Don't cheese the freedom!!

lol
koshka
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany181 Posts
May 21 2010 08:31 GMT
#927
On May 21 2010 17:28 Prodtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 17:23 koshka wrote:
On May 21 2010 17:22 jws wrote:
too many spine crawlers not enuf mutas


jap this wall was kind off strange


Maginot Line,LOL


:D
i actually live nerby a part of the old maginot line
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
May 21 2010 08:32 GMT
#928
somebody watched JD vs calm last night. lol


lol my thoughts exactly
Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
koshka
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany181 Posts
May 21 2010 08:34 GMT
#929
On May 21 2010 17:31 HolydaKing wrote:
Don't cheese the freedom!!


hehe
koshka
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany181 Posts
May 21 2010 08:34 GMT
#930
forsti is getting stalked?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 21 2010 08:38 GMT
#931
Freedom super sick... wanna see him vs other races now (
skypacer
Profile Joined July 2003
China174 Posts
May 21 2010 08:41 GMT
#932
Fengzi went 6 pool cheese vs freedom, and.....
by.Fantasy
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 08:43:40
May 21 2010 08:42 GMT
#933
On May 21 2010 17:28 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 17:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
And here's the point I want to make, and I'm glad you actually made an effort (I wont bother pointing out which ones are the absurd examples, since I'd hope most people can tell). Those are all of the things you can think of, when he has hundreds of games of SC2 during its varied patches before the game is actually released. You're making a claim he can't play ZvZ based on a sample side of a game that is constantly being patched with weak evidence.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or argue; but do not pretend to have some knowledge the rest of us don't regarding Idra's abilities at SC2 based upon mediocre assumptions and poor anecdotal evidence.


Those are the results where it mattered. Sure, IdrA might have held off a hundred different cheeses in ladder, but ladder is not a representative of pro-league play. My point regarding ZvZ is that ZvZ games are usually decided quickly - either by a successful rush that leads to the rusher's victory, or by an unsuccessful rush that leads to the rusher being vastly behind. There are rarely games where each player macros up with the confidence that the other one cannot break him.

And I'm not saying that I have any more knowledge than the "rest of you." I'm simply giving my opinion as to what IdrA's strengths and weaknesses might be.

People do that all the time.


This will be my last post on the subject as to not detract further (only reason I'm even doing it at all is I find zvz even more boring to watch in SC2 than BW atm). Thank god this group is almost over.

They weren't games that largely mattered. Those matches aren't close to representative of pro-league matches. Of the ones you mentioned maybe 1/2 were even legitimate enough to have ANY worth.

Your initial post on the subject suggested Idra should consider changing changing races and claiming he can't keep up with Korean early game zerg. I find this to be simply without merit and lacking of meaningful evidence to support your claim. My view is simply that your suggestions are lacking meaningful insight on the subject and should be viewed with great skepticism.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-23 06:10:12
May 21 2010 08:46 GMT
#934
On May 21 2010 17:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 17:28 Azarkon wrote:
On May 21 2010 17:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
And here's the point I want to make, and I'm glad you actually made an effort (I wont bother pointing out which ones are the absurd examples, since I'd hope most people can tell). Those are all of the things you can think of, when he has hundreds of games of SC2 during its varied patches before the game is actually released. You're making a claim he can't play ZvZ based on a sample side of a game that is constantly being patched with weak evidence.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or argue; but do not pretend to have some knowledge the rest of us don't regarding Idra's abilities at SC2 based upon mediocre assumptions and poor anecdotal evidence.


Those are the results where it mattered. Sure, IdrA might have held off a hundred different cheeses in ladder, but ladder is not a representative of pro-league play. My point regarding ZvZ is that ZvZ games are usually decided quickly - either by a successful rush that leads to the rusher's victory, or by an unsuccessful rush that leads to the rusher being vastly behind. There are rarely games where each player macros up with the confidence that the other one cannot break him.

And I'm not saying that I have any more knowledge than the "rest of you." I'm simply giving my opinion as to what IdrA's strengths and weaknesses might be.

People do that all the time.


This will be my last post on the subject as to not detract further (only reason I'm even doing it at all is I find zvz even more boring to watch in SC2 than BW atm). Thank god this group is almost over.

They weren't games that largely mattered. Those matches aren't close to representative of pro-league matches. Of the ones you mentioned maybe 1/2 were even legitimate enough to have ANY worth.

Your initial post on the subject suggested Idra should consider changing changing races and claiming he can't keep up with Korean early game zerg. I find this to be simply without merit and lacking of meaningful evidence to support your claim. My view is simply that your suggestions are lacking meaningful insight on the subject and should be viewed with great skepticism.


Then a simple "I disagree, because it's still too early to tell" would suffice. There's no need to drag an opinion out and ask me to provide evidence when you're just going to dismiss everything that I brought forth because "it's not legit." Also, I didn't say IdrA should consider changing races. I said he might've performed better as Terran because TvT usually involves more macro play, but that's an opinion, not a prescription. Obviously IdrA will play whatever he wants to play.

You have your opinion. I have mine. Let's leave it at that.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
May 21 2010 08:48 GMT
#935
So, what are the results?
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
Kira.Yami
Profile Joined April 2010
158 Posts
May 21 2010 08:48 GMT
#936
Is there a way we can get our hands on the replays of this event? or the provider purposely not releasing actual replays.. and only VODs?
Push
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
May 21 2010 08:49 GMT
#937
On May 21 2010 17:48 Kira.Yami wrote:
Is there a way we can get our hands on the replays of this event? or the provider purposely not releasing actual replays.. and only VODs?


Forsti said that they explicitly asked him not to release replays.
ZGeer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States87 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 08:59:06
May 21 2010 08:50 GMT
#938
Results so far (winner in bold):

+ Show Spoiler +
oGs.Freedom vs SCI)_W_Y_W on Lost Temple
oGs.Zenio vs E3_FengZi on Blistering Sands
oGs.Freedom vs oGs.Zenio on Scrap Station
E3_FengZi vs SCI)_W_Y_W on Steppes of War
oGs.Freedom vs E3_FengZi on Metalopolis
oGs.Zenio vs SCI)_W_Y_W on Desert Oasis

Freedom 3-0
Zenio 2-1
FengZi 1-2
W_Y_W 0-3
Kira.Yami
Profile Joined April 2010
158 Posts
May 21 2010 08:56 GMT
#939
Forsti said that they explicitly asked him not to release replays.


Already lack of replays especially with the patching so fast, this is kinda sucks and in my opinion not really helping the sc2 community even if it's a commerical gimmick. What benefits does 17173.com gain by not releasing the replays?
Push
jws
Profile Joined May 2010
Taiwan56 Posts
May 21 2010 08:59 GMT
#940
damn korean zerg is bosss
Prev 1 45 46 47 48 49 148 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
12:00
Day 3
ShoWTimE vs sOsLIVE!
Serral vs Reynor
Zoun vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs Lambo
TaKeTV2523
ComeBackTV 887
IndyStarCraft 386
TaKeSeN 209
Rex115
3DClanTV 84
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 386
Rex 115
MindelVK 80
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 8767
Calm 4676
Rain 2885
Shuttle 1476
Bisu 1427
Horang2 1129
Hyuk 690
EffOrt 603
Stork 504
Larva 497
[ Show more ]
BeSt 444
Mini 353
firebathero 328
actioN 328
Soma 274
Last 228
ggaemo 191
Mind 175
Zeus 129
Pusan 113
Hyun 107
Sharp 102
yabsab 76
PianO 76
Sea.KH 58
JYJ 40
hero 40
ToSsGirL 37
Hm[arnc] 34
Killer 32
Backho 30
910 28
Shinee 26
HiyA 25
Free 22
sorry 22
Barracks 21
soO 17
Noble 16
Sacsri 16
GoRush 13
SilentControl 12
zelot 10
Terrorterran 9
Dota 2
Dendi1119
XcaliburYe554
Fuzer 228
NeuroSwarm122
Counter-Strike
zeus1648
allub433
edward109
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King106
Westballz40
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor294
Other Games
B2W.Neo2250
singsing1755
crisheroes89
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix8
• Michael_bg 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2124
League of Legends
• Jankos2666
Upcoming Events
OSC
38m
Replay Cast
11h 38m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Wardi Open
1d 23h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-31
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
HSC XXVIII
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.