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Prodtoss
Profile Joined May 2010
China849 Posts
May 21 2010 08:28 GMT
#921
On May 21 2010 17:23 koshka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 17:22 jws wrote:
too many spine crawlers not enuf mutas


jap this wall was kind off strange


Maginot Line,LOL
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 21 2010 08:28 GMT
#922
On May 21 2010 17:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
And here's the point I want to make, and I'm glad you actually made an effort (I wont bother pointing out which ones are the absurd examples, since I'd hope most people can tell). Those are all of the things you can think of, when he has hundreds of games of SC2 during its varied patches before the game is actually released. You're making a claim he can't play ZvZ based on a sample side of a game that is constantly being patched with weak evidence.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or argue; but do not pretend to have some knowledge the rest of us don't regarding Idra's abilities at SC2 based upon mediocre assumptions and poor anecdotal evidence.


Those are the results where it mattered. Sure, IdrA might have held off a hundred different cheeses in ladder, but ladder is not a representative of pro-league play. My point regarding ZvZ is that ZvZ games are usually decided quickly - either by a successful rush that leads to the rusher's victory, or by an unsuccessful rush that leads to the rusher being vastly behind. There are rarely games where each player macros up with the confidence that the other one cannot break him.

And I'm not saying that I have any more knowledge than the "rest of you." I'm simply giving my opinion as to what IdrA's strengths and weaknesses might be.

People do that all the time.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 08:30:34
May 21 2010 08:30 GMT
#923
On May 21 2010 17:24 zTz wrote:
Azarkon what are you trying to say/prove??

Take it to a different forum...


WTF is with the attitude. Look at any of the threads on this forum. EVERYONE gives their opinions about the players.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 21 2010 08:31 GMT
#924
Don't cheese the freedom!!
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 21 2010 08:31 GMT
#925
somebody watched JD vs calm last night. lol
Woo Jung Ho
jws
Profile Joined May 2010
Taiwan56 Posts
May 21 2010 08:31 GMT
#926
On May 21 2010 17:31 HolydaKing wrote:
Don't cheese the freedom!!

lol
koshka
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany181 Posts
May 21 2010 08:31 GMT
#927
On May 21 2010 17:28 Prodtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 17:23 koshka wrote:
On May 21 2010 17:22 jws wrote:
too many spine crawlers not enuf mutas


jap this wall was kind off strange


Maginot Line,LOL


:D
i actually live nerby a part of the old maginot line
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
May 21 2010 08:32 GMT
#928
somebody watched JD vs calm last night. lol


lol my thoughts exactly
Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
koshka
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany181 Posts
May 21 2010 08:34 GMT
#929
On May 21 2010 17:31 HolydaKing wrote:
Don't cheese the freedom!!


hehe
koshka
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany181 Posts
May 21 2010 08:34 GMT
#930
forsti is getting stalked?
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 21 2010 08:38 GMT
#931
Freedom super sick... wanna see him vs other races now (
skypacer
Profile Joined July 2003
China174 Posts
May 21 2010 08:41 GMT
#932
Fengzi went 6 pool cheese vs freedom, and.....
by.Fantasy
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 08:43:40
May 21 2010 08:42 GMT
#933
On May 21 2010 17:28 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 17:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
And here's the point I want to make, and I'm glad you actually made an effort (I wont bother pointing out which ones are the absurd examples, since I'd hope most people can tell). Those are all of the things you can think of, when he has hundreds of games of SC2 during its varied patches before the game is actually released. You're making a claim he can't play ZvZ based on a sample side of a game that is constantly being patched with weak evidence.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or argue; but do not pretend to have some knowledge the rest of us don't regarding Idra's abilities at SC2 based upon mediocre assumptions and poor anecdotal evidence.


Those are the results where it mattered. Sure, IdrA might have held off a hundred different cheeses in ladder, but ladder is not a representative of pro-league play. My point regarding ZvZ is that ZvZ games are usually decided quickly - either by a successful rush that leads to the rusher's victory, or by an unsuccessful rush that leads to the rusher being vastly behind. There are rarely games where each player macros up with the confidence that the other one cannot break him.

And I'm not saying that I have any more knowledge than the "rest of you." I'm simply giving my opinion as to what IdrA's strengths and weaknesses might be.

People do that all the time.


This will be my last post on the subject as to not detract further (only reason I'm even doing it at all is I find zvz even more boring to watch in SC2 than BW atm). Thank god this group is almost over.

They weren't games that largely mattered. Those matches aren't close to representative of pro-league matches. Of the ones you mentioned maybe 1/2 were even legitimate enough to have ANY worth.

Your initial post on the subject suggested Idra should consider changing changing races and claiming he can't keep up with Korean early game zerg. I find this to be simply without merit and lacking of meaningful evidence to support your claim. My view is simply that your suggestions are lacking meaningful insight on the subject and should be viewed with great skepticism.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-23 06:10:12
May 21 2010 08:46 GMT
#934
On May 21 2010 17:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 17:28 Azarkon wrote:
On May 21 2010 17:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
And here's the point I want to make, and I'm glad you actually made an effort (I wont bother pointing out which ones are the absurd examples, since I'd hope most people can tell). Those are all of the things you can think of, when he has hundreds of games of SC2 during its varied patches before the game is actually released. You're making a claim he can't play ZvZ based on a sample side of a game that is constantly being patched with weak evidence.

I'm not trying to pick a fight or argue; but do not pretend to have some knowledge the rest of us don't regarding Idra's abilities at SC2 based upon mediocre assumptions and poor anecdotal evidence.


Those are the results where it mattered. Sure, IdrA might have held off a hundred different cheeses in ladder, but ladder is not a representative of pro-league play. My point regarding ZvZ is that ZvZ games are usually decided quickly - either by a successful rush that leads to the rusher's victory, or by an unsuccessful rush that leads to the rusher being vastly behind. There are rarely games where each player macros up with the confidence that the other one cannot break him.

And I'm not saying that I have any more knowledge than the "rest of you." I'm simply giving my opinion as to what IdrA's strengths and weaknesses might be.

People do that all the time.


This will be my last post on the subject as to not detract further (only reason I'm even doing it at all is I find zvz even more boring to watch in SC2 than BW atm). Thank god this group is almost over.

They weren't games that largely mattered. Those matches aren't close to representative of pro-league matches. Of the ones you mentioned maybe 1/2 were even legitimate enough to have ANY worth.

Your initial post on the subject suggested Idra should consider changing changing races and claiming he can't keep up with Korean early game zerg. I find this to be simply without merit and lacking of meaningful evidence to support your claim. My view is simply that your suggestions are lacking meaningful insight on the subject and should be viewed with great skepticism.


Then a simple "I disagree, because it's still too early to tell" would suffice. There's no need to drag an opinion out and ask me to provide evidence when you're just going to dismiss everything that I brought forth because "it's not legit." Also, I didn't say IdrA should consider changing races. I said he might've performed better as Terran because TvT usually involves more macro play, but that's an opinion, not a prescription. Obviously IdrA will play whatever he wants to play.

You have your opinion. I have mine. Let's leave it at that.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
May 21 2010 08:48 GMT
#935
So, what are the results?
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
Kira.Yami
Profile Joined April 2010
158 Posts
May 21 2010 08:48 GMT
#936
Is there a way we can get our hands on the replays of this event? or the provider purposely not releasing actual replays.. and only VODs?
Push
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
May 21 2010 08:49 GMT
#937
On May 21 2010 17:48 Kira.Yami wrote:
Is there a way we can get our hands on the replays of this event? or the provider purposely not releasing actual replays.. and only VODs?


Forsti said that they explicitly asked him not to release replays.
ZGeer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States87 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 08:59:06
May 21 2010 08:50 GMT
#938
Results so far (winner in bold):

+ Show Spoiler +
oGs.Freedom vs SCI)_W_Y_W on Lost Temple
oGs.Zenio vs E3_FengZi on Blistering Sands
oGs.Freedom vs oGs.Zenio on Scrap Station
E3_FengZi vs SCI)_W_Y_W on Steppes of War
oGs.Freedom vs E3_FengZi on Metalopolis
oGs.Zenio vs SCI)_W_Y_W on Desert Oasis

Freedom 3-0
Zenio 2-1
FengZi 1-2
W_Y_W 0-3
Kira.Yami
Profile Joined April 2010
158 Posts
May 21 2010 08:56 GMT
#939
Forsti said that they explicitly asked him not to release replays.


Already lack of replays especially with the patching so fast, this is kinda sucks and in my opinion not really helping the sc2 community even if it's a commerical gimmick. What benefits does 17173.com gain by not releasing the replays?
Push
jws
Profile Joined May 2010
Taiwan56 Posts
May 21 2010 08:59 GMT
#940
damn korean zerg is bosss
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