*sigh*

Read this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126356

It's pretty obvious where Cezanne stands in the Korean scene. He's good, but not as good as some of the other Zergs in this tournament.

Forsti.henning

Germany220 Posts

May 20 2010 17:06 GMT

#862

you maybe want to add my streams to the upcoming events tab

thx!

epik640x

United States1134 Posts

May 20 2010 17:56 GMT

#863

Yeah Forsti did a great job streaming them late into the night/early morning. I passed out but woke up in time to catch the last few matches lol.

Sfydjklm

United States9218 Posts

May 20 2010 18:19 GMT

#864

On May 21 2010 01:34 Azarkon wrote:

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u cant use it as ur source that poster has already recieved critisim for his rankings, not to doubt that they are nothing but subjective even if it wasnt the case.

cuppatea

United Kingdom1401 Posts

May 20 2010 18:54 GMT

#865

Cezanne 3-0'd his group to qualify for this and then 3-0'd his group in this. He reached the final of the 1st ASM and is still going strong in the 2nd. He also has the highest win % in the top 200 of the Asian ladder. He doesn't seem like a "weaker Zerg" judging from that.

Bane_

United Kingdom494 Posts

May 20 2010 19:20 GMT

#866

I first saw Cezanne in XPT1 and he struck me as a more impressive zerg player than Zenio even though his results at the time didn't seem to match up. He's hit his stride though of late and I hope he does himself justice in the upcoming rounds.

koppik

United States676 Posts

May 20 2010 21:08 GMT

#867

Luckily we have a few groups with no zerg in them! Zerg just continues to dominate.

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

May 20 2010 21:53 GMT

#868

On May 21 2010 03:54 cuppatea wrote:
Cezanne 3-0'd his group to qualify for this and then 3-0'd his group in this. He reached the final of the 1st ASM and is still going strong in the 2nd. He also has the highest win % in the top 200 of the Asian ladder. He doesn't seem like a "weaker Zerg" judging from that.

Weaker Korean Zerg, not weaker Zerg in general. Here's the list of Korean Zergs in the tournament:

Freedom (oGs) - Zerg
Check (Prime) - Zerg
과일장수 (oGs) - Zerg - (Z)Cool
Cezanne (Prime) - Zerg - (Z)ToSky
Leeraeun (oGs) - Zerg - (Z)SiR@SoNi
Zenio (oGs) - Zerg

Out of this list, only Check can be considered weaker in general than Cezanne. oGs is the strongest clan in Korea from current clan war results. Each individual Zerg in this group also has more Korean tournament results under their belts than Cezanne. This is not saying that Cezanne sucks. He's just overshadowed by the more proven players in oGs.

Of course, this tournament is a great opportunity for him to prove otherwise. I simply mentioned Cezzane to disagree with the other poster's claim that Dimaga is better than 90% of the people in this tournament. You can't say this when Dimaga has yet to win any Korean player in the tournament, and is also not better than every European player here (I'd say he's on par with White-Ra and weaker than TLO, at the moment, from tournament results alone).

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

May 20 2010 21:57 GMT

#869

Dimaga advanced! Awesome!

Hansel

Germany311 Posts

May 20 2010 22:22 GMT

#870

MAn nice games by Dimaga, awsome comeback.
Also Idra = :-((. Didnt show his best imho.

frumplejoon

United States129 Posts

May 20 2010 22:28 GMT

#871

On May 21 2010 01:23 Azarkon wrote:

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I don't know about that. The biggest problem with the US server is that we don't have a strong pro-league organization that can communicate with other pro-leagues, so our players do not get much exposure. In other words, we don't have many chances to demonstrate our strength or weakness. Certainly, our players have beaten top EU players before. For example, Nony beat Nazgul, and Huk was able to win the ESL.

Not just that, NA players are just so maddeningly inconsistent. When playing at their best, I think NA's best can compete w/EU's best and maybe some of asia's, but too often they make critical mistakes like major bad decisions and micro/macro lapses. Slush also beat white ra in a bo9 in gosucoaching, but then got trounced by demuslim a week later. There are tons more examples of NA inconsistency if you watch the top players in tournys. Yeah EU/Asia's best have bad games too, but not on the same scale as NA's best D=

I'd guess the order is something like NA <= EU <= Asia (or more like Korea + Sen)

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

May 20 2010 22:39 GMT

#872

That might be true, but I feel like our players simply need to be invited to more tournaments. So far none of the international invitationals have included NA players except for IdrA. I understand why this is - most of the sites running these tournaments are ex-WC 3 sites and NA had next to no presence in WC 3 - but there has to be a way to get our name out and having an aggressive pro league that could put together a "national" team is one way to do it.

It's kind of irritating to be left out, especially in a tournament as big as this one. Not that I'm particularly bothered by cheering for EU and Chinese and Korean players, but it just seems a huge waste of talent.

Though, I'm sure this'll change post-release as Blizzard will be hosting some of their own tournaments, and large tourneys like the WCG will naturally have NA qualifiers.

Solaris.playgu

Sweden480 Posts

May 20 2010 23:39 GMT

#873

I agree, that is most likely the case. I also believe the situation would have been different if there wasn't an absolute deadline for this tourney to finish (i.e 31st of may). Hopefully there will be separate qualifying rounds for eu / us in later incarnations.

It is most likely as you say though, that one of the biggest reasons no us players were invited is the lack of a competitive establishment in the us (not saying there is none, just saying it doesn't get as much attention as the eu ones). This is also something that will change over time, as the game grows in popularity.

xephon

Canada38 Posts

May 21 2010 06:32 GMT

#874

did they play right now?

Terrakin

United States1440 Posts

May 21 2010 06:33 GMT

#875

Zenio Fighting!