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On May 21 2010 00:53 Azarkon wrote:
I think it's more accurate to say that IdrA's ZvZ is not up to par. He had to face off against two Zergs after winning against a Terran. Dimaga faced a Terran and a Protoss after losing against a Zerg.
Except that they both went 1-2. Dimaga was just lucky his group ended in a tie break. If you look closely at the groupings, the powerful guys are separated from each other. Dimaga is supposed to go through. People know him as the best zerg in Europe. He just barely made it.
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I predict Zergs will dominate this tourney 
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On May 21 2010 00:57 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 00:53 Azarkon wrote:
I think it's more accurate to say that IdrA's ZvZ is not up to par. He had to face off against two Zergs after winning against a Terran. Dimaga faced a Terran and a Protoss after losing against a Zerg. Except that they both went 1-2. Dimaga was just lucky his group ended in a tie break. If you look closely at the groupings, the powerful guys are separated from each other. Dimaga is supposed to go through. People know him as the best zerg in Europe. He just barely made it.
Actually, from what i could tell, the groups are divided such that there's an European, Chinese, and Korean player in each group. I don't think they expected Dimaga to go through, at least that's what the translators for the Chinese commentary said.
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On May 21 2010 00:57 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 00:53 Azarkon wrote:
I think it's more accurate to say that IdrA's ZvZ is not up to par. He had to face off against two Zergs after winning against a Terran. Dimaga faced a Terran and a Protoss after losing against a Zerg. Except that they both went 1-2. Dimaga was just lucky his group ended in a tie break. If you look closely at the groupings, the powerful guys are separated from each other. Dimaga is supposed to go through. People know him as the best zerg in Europe. He just barely made it.
He made an unusual mistake against Beckham in the first game.
To me it was pretty clear after watching DIMAGA steamroll Beckham and Loner that he's much better than those asians. Maybe he can't pass through some koreans, but in general, he's much better than 90% of the players in the tourney.
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I don't know about that rhap. Dimaga lost to Cezanne, who is considered one of the weaker Zergs in Korea. The way this tournament is turning up, he's going to be facing Zerg after Zerg after Zerg. I don't think Dimaga is as good in that match-up as he is in others.
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On May 21 2010 01:03 Azarkon wrote:
I don't know about that rhap. Dimaga lost to Cezanne, who is considered one of the weaker Zergs in Korea.
Didn't cezanne ended the ASM in the second place? I don't think he's that weak.
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On May 21 2010 00:51 epik640x wrote:
Idra is better than Dimaga, he just had a tougher group. Both went 1-2 but Dimaga's group had 2 other guys who also went 1-2 and he was able to squeeze through.
Will get rolled by the next korean player like he got rolled against the 1 korean player in that first group.
dimaga is the best non-asian zerg until proven otherwise.
you cant just pull out ur own ranking based on nothing more then who you think is more handsome and wave it around as if it was a fact.
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On May 21 2010 01:04 rhap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 01:03 Azarkon wrote:
I don't know about that rhap. Dimaga lost to Cezanne, who is considered one of the weaker Zergs in Korea. Didn't cezanne ended the ASM in the second place? I don't think he's that weak.
Yes, because the top Zergs didn't participate.
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On May 21 2010 01:02 rhap wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 00:57 kheldorin wrote:On May 21 2010 00:53 Azarkon wrote:
I think it's more accurate to say that IdrA's ZvZ is not up to par. He had to face off against two Zergs after winning against a Terran. Dimaga faced a Terran and a Protoss after losing against a Zerg. Except that they both went 1-2. Dimaga was just lucky his group ended in a tie break. If you look closely at the groupings, the powerful guys are separated from each other. Dimaga is supposed to go through. People know him as the best zerg in Europe. He just barely made it. He made an unusual mistake against Beckham in the first game. To me it was pretty clear after watching DIMAGA steamroll Beckham and Loner that he's much better than those asians. Maybe he can't pass through some koreans, but in general, he's much better than 90% of the players in the tourney.
guys, you should know that 1/3 of the players are korean, and most of them are much better than dimaga.
He just beat 2 Chinese players who are not that good, if there's one more korean in his group, he would be easily eliminated.
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Well Beckham and Loner are considered top players in China, but I agree with you that China is the weakest region in this tournament (minus Sen). So far, White-Ra has been the only European player to take games from Koreans. We will see if this remains the case after the other four qualifying matches. If so, then I think Europe has a chance. If not, then probably not.
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On May 21 2010 01:05 skypacer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 01:02 rhap wrote:On May 21 2010 00:57 kheldorin wrote:On May 21 2010 00:53 Azarkon wrote:
I think it's more accurate to say that IdrA's ZvZ is not up to par. He had to face off against two Zergs after winning against a Terran. Dimaga faced a Terran and a Protoss after losing against a Zerg. Except that they both went 1-2. Dimaga was just lucky his group ended in a tie break. If you look closely at the groupings, the powerful guys are separated from each other. Dimaga is supposed to go through. People know him as the best zerg in Europe. He just barely made it. He made an unusual mistake against Beckham in the first game. To me it was pretty clear after watching DIMAGA steamroll Beckham and Loner that he's much better than those asians. Maybe he can't pass through some koreans, but in general, he's much better than 90% of the players in the tourney. guys, you should know that 1/3 of the players are korean, and most of them are much better than dimaga. He just beat 2 Chinese players who are not that good, if there's one more korean in his group, he would be easily eliminated.
Hmmm..may be the world champion is not Korean.Let us wait and see.
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On May 21 2010 01:03 Azarkon wrote:
I don't know about that rhap. Dimaga lost to Cezanne, who is considered one of the weaker Zergs in Korea. The way this tournament is turning up, he's going to be facing Zerg after Zerg after Zerg. I don't think Dimaga is as good in that match-up as he is in others.
considered by who. By what merits are you, an american, informed of such intricacies of the korean scene.
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On May 21 2010 01:11 Azarkon wrote:
Well Beckham and Loner are considered top players in China, but I agree with you that China is the weakest region in this tournament (minus Sen). So far, White-Ra has been the only European player to take games from Koreans. We will see if this remains the case after the other four qualifying matches. If so, then I think Europe has a chance. If not, then probably not.
Weakest server is the US though. Their players are not famous enough to get invited. Even Idra a US player plays on the Asia server.
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On May 21 2010 01:15 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 01:03 Azarkon wrote:
I don't know about that rhap. Dimaga lost to Cezanne, who is considered one of the weaker Zergs in Korea. The way this tournament is turning up, he's going to be facing Zerg after Zerg after Zerg. I don't think Dimaga is as good in that match-up as he is in others. considered by who. By what merits are you, an american, informed of such intricacies of the korean scene.
Let's just say I have contacts in other countries.
In any case, it's pointless to debate whether Dimaga is good enough. The games will prove or disprove it.
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On May 21 2010 01:17 kheldorin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 01:11 Azarkon wrote:
Well Beckham and Loner are considered top players in China, but I agree with you that China is the weakest region in this tournament (minus Sen). So far, White-Ra has been the only European player to take games from Koreans. We will see if this remains the case after the other four qualifying matches. If so, then I think Europe has a chance. If not, then probably not. Weakest server is the US though. Their players are not famous enough to get invited. Even Idra a US player plays on the Asia server.
I don't know about that. The biggest problem with the US server is that we don't have a strong pro-league organization that can communicate with other pro-leagues, so our players do not get much exposure. In other words, we don't have many chances to demonstrate our strength or weakness. Certainly, our players have beaten top EU players before. For example, Nony beat Nazgul, and Huk was able to win the ESL.
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On May 21 2010 01:11 Azarkon wrote:
Well Beckham and Loner are considered top players in China, but I agree with you that China is the weakest region in this tournament (minus Sen). So far, White-Ra has been the only European player to take games from Koreans. We will see if this remains the case after the other four qualifying matches. If so, then I think Europe has a chance. If not, then probably not.
Not like most Koreans, Check was directly invited to the World Cup Final, who is not a winner of the brutal Korean qualifier. White-ra can hardly beat any other koreans.
read this: A brief introduction to Asian guys in 17173 WC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=126356
Check is the only Korean that I give a ranking lower than A.
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On May 21 2010 01:13 Prodtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 01:05 skypacer wrote:On May 21 2010 01:02 rhap wrote:On May 21 2010 00:57 kheldorin wrote:On May 21 2010 00:53 Azarkon wrote:
I think it's more accurate to say that IdrA's ZvZ is not up to par. He had to face off against two Zergs after winning against a Terran. Dimaga faced a Terran and a Protoss after losing against a Zerg. Except that they both went 1-2. Dimaga was just lucky his group ended in a tie break. If you look closely at the groupings, the powerful guys are separated from each other. Dimaga is supposed to go through. People know him as the best zerg in Europe. He just barely made it. He made an unusual mistake against Beckham in the first game. To me it was pretty clear after watching DIMAGA steamroll Beckham and Loner that he's much better than those asians. Maybe he can't pass through some koreans, but in general, he's much better than 90% of the players in the tourney. guys, you should know that 1/3 of the players are korean, and most of them are much better than dimaga. He just beat 2 Chinese players who are not that good, if there's one more korean in his group, he would be easily eliminated. Hmmm..may be the world champion is not Korean.Let us wait and see.
If so.. that would be a miracle.
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On May 21 2010 01:23 Azarkon wrote:
I don't know about that. The biggest problem with the US server is that we don't have a strong pro-league organization that can communicate with other pro-leagues, so our players do not get much exposure. In other words, we don't have many chances to demonstrate our strength or weakness. Certainly, our players have beaten top EU players before. For example, Nony beat Nazgul, and Huk was able to win the ESL.
I thought TSL was sort of that
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On May 21 2010 01:20 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2010 01:15 Sfydjklm wrote:On May 21 2010 01:03 Azarkon wrote:
I don't know about that rhap. Dimaga lost to Cezanne, who is considered one of the weaker Zergs in Korea. The way this tournament is turning up, he's going to be facing Zerg after Zerg after Zerg. I don't think Dimaga is as good in that match-up as he is in others. considered by who. By what merits are you, an american, informed of such intricacies of the korean scene. Let's just say I have contacts in other countries. In any case, it's pointless to debate whether Dimaga is good enough. The games will prove or disprove it.
oh dear you have contacts in other countries?
Gee how did you manage to do that...
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TSL? Do you mean the TLI?
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