• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:02
CET 22:02
KST 06:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How much money terran looses from gas steal? mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2026 Changsha Offline Cup
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1662 users

[D] My Interpretation of Standard TvP

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
chuckdoodle
Profile Joined November 2020
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-14 12:59:45
January 12 2021 22:01 GMT
#1
Hello! I have been watching and playing StarCraft 2 intensely for the last two years! As a result, I have come up with my own interpretation of the TvP Standard matchup! I would be covering mostly the 1-1-1 phase and the choice between 3-1-1 and 3cc off 1-1-1 and then skim on the extended tree of my gameplan in TvP.

Disclaimer:
I am only a mere low to mid masters player jumping between 4300 to 4500 mmr. Everyone has their own way of playing; I am simply writing out my views on this matchup which are based off of my hours of viewing of top level streams, such as those of Maru/Clem/Cure. The pros I watch and copy are Maru Future, Clem, Cure, and many other high grandmaster “small” streamers. This write up could be regarded as incorrect by many people like I said, I am a low-mid level player.

Opener:
Either 16 16 Reaper Fast Expand or 15 16 Gas First Reaper Expand and then make a reactor on rax.

The 1-1-1 phase is very important part of TvP. It is much more flexible than in other matchups. You can react or decide the tempo. You can do 1-1-1 pushes with marine tank banshee or play super safe with tank raven; you can play very harass oriented style with hellions + banshee or double minedrops. There are many variations unlike TvZ where you go hellions every game or TvT where you always do marine raven.

Harass Variations:
1st Case (Reactor Hellions with/without Banshee:
Swap rax with factory and reactor out hellions from the factory while making techlab with rax (optional) to swap with starport for banshees.

I usually do this when I scout and see 2 pylons in main + standard nexus expand meaning they did not place their 20-21 pylon in nat (incredibly rare), so they did not wall off the nat; I can punish this by reactoring out hellions and playing yolo with first 2-6 hellions and following it up with banshees; think 1-2 punch combo. I also do this when I see protoss being incredibly greedy with 3:30 3rd nexus. You can still pull off reactor hellions vs wall offs if you make a medivac rather than banshees and transition to 3cc faster; however, I prefer doing 3 hellions of naked factory if I were doing medivac hellion drops.

2nd Case (3 hellion or mine drop):
Make hellions/mines off the naked factory and a medivac as soon as starport is finished. Note: you can proxy the factory and starport if you play off 1 base.

Three hellions is a magic number for one shotting probes even with the battery if all attack at same time. This probably has the fastest transition to 3-1-1 assuming all production are not proxied. If I were to go 3cc off this I would go for 2nd medivac + hellions/mines. There are variations where you get an armory for cloaked mines with 2+ medivac drops.

Safe Variations:
I usually do this kind of variations when I scout something from protoss like warp prism attack or blink all ins. I mostly transition to 3cc off the safe styles because the transitions for 3-1-1 are usually too late for the timings to do anything. Some of these openers can be used for 1-1-1 pushes.

1st Case (2 Tank Raven):
Pump out marines, make a techlab on factory then swap with starport for raven and the factory makes another techlab to make tanks.

This is one of the safest variation, it shuts down DTs and blink all ins. I usually do this when I see twilight first. You can go 3cc off this and keep making tanks or 3-1-1 and make mines or a 3rd tank to push at 7 mins with +1 upgrade stim cs.

2nd Case (Cyclone Viking):
Pump out marines, 1-2 cyclones and 1-2 vikings.

One of the best anti warp prism aggression setups. Also works incredibly well vs stargate. Note for stargate: you can make a tank instead of 2nd cyclone and do a 1-1-1 push vs stargate. You can decide how much you want to commit with this push. Commitment levels may very from semi aggressive (fake pushes to force batteries and protoss isn't playing that greedy) or committed pushes with pulling 4 scvs to make bunkers at protoss 3rd if they are being very greedy with 4 minute 3rds. These kind of pushes are very weak vs blink openers so I only recommend doing this vs stargate openers.

Aggressive/All ins:
With these kind of variations, you can pull the bois (optional) and cut scvs for constant rallies.

Marine Tank Banshee:
Pump out marines, factory makes techlab then swaps with starport for banshees and makes its own techlab to make constant tanks.

This is a classic build. Done by INnovation many times. You usually want to pull scvs with this for bunkers and hard contain protoss nats. I prefer doing with on maps without ramps right in front of the nat. I usually go 3cc off this to get my eco back into shape after the push ends.

[u]Special Variation (1 Base All in):[u]
wall off at 18 supply (16 16 expand) then get reactor after marine + start factory and 2nd rax then techlab on factory, starport, and spam marines. Make 2 tanks + medivac and pickup the tanks and moveout.

Just another fun 1 base 2-1-1 all in.

Transitions:
Now you have two choices, 3-1-1 with single engy bay or 3cc 3-1-1 with double engy bay. Note that in order to transition to standard play in TvP, you need double techlabs + 1 reactor which are usually made after certain units (mine drops or hellions) are made or already made in order to make tanks, ravens, banshees.

First Case (3-1-1):
Make 2 raxes around 3:30-4:00 (depends on $$ and 1-1-1 variation) next to the techlabs and lift starport and factory to make 2 reactors for biomine push or reactor (medivacs) tech for a biotank push.

If you do 3-1-1, you can do a timing that hits at 6:30-7:00 with +1 attack, cs, stim. I prefer this with 1-1-1 variations where you don't really make more than 1 set of units, for example just one mine drop off naked factory into 3-1-1 or 1 raven into 3-1-1.

Second Case(3cc):
If you transition to 3cc, you want to plop down 3rd CC around 4:00-4:40 (assuming 1-1-1 harass or safe variations) and then make 2 raxs at 4:30-4:50 with double engy bay.

With 3cc, you can go for a 1-1 timing around 8 minutes with 130-170 supply. This timing can vary in either biotank or bio viking ghost. This will be discussed later. If you're doing committed 1-1-1 harass or pushes, your 3cc is going to come down much later around 5+ minutes.

Followups:
3-1-1:
With 3-1-1, you can followup with 3rd CC at 6:30 then go up to 5 rax or extra 2 raxs at 4:50-5:20 for 2 base all in. With 3rd CC option, usually you would be macroing and saturating the 3rd mineral line while microing your +1 timing. After the timing, you can either followup with 3 base all in with +1 armor where you do not get 3rd gasses at all, and get 3-5 ghosts with vikings since you have gas from not getting armory and 2-2 upgrades.


3CC:
You go up to 5 rax. Now you have 3 mainstream options:

Option 1: You can cut scvs and not bother taking gasses at 3rd, and don't get armory + 2-2 for maxed out 1-1 3 base all in.

Option 2: You can go for 1-1 timing with/without ghost viking or depending if you delay the gasses at 3rd, armory and 2-2 upgrades or not. You also can go for lib timings where you make 2-6 libs and push with the upgrades. Do not get range as you won't have enough gas. This option could be borderline all in if you cut scvs at 55-60 but you can still macro out of it assuming you take a 4th.

Option 3: You can go for normal gas timings, full out macro for lategame. Normally I would play defensive and get 2-2 ASAP then spend all my gas on tech units such as ghosts. I mostly go for 5-1-2 setup with slightly faster 8-9 minute 4th than the previous options mentioned and play for the ghost viking 2-2 maxout timing into ghost viking lib lategame. I have seen some people go for 3 factory mass tank turtle lategames. Some do 5-2-1. Some do full on bio-mech switches. This is usually freestyle and ties heavily into your stylistic preference. Some people like playing mass bio multiprongs off normal 3cc eco into fast 4th CC ghost viking.

Closing Notes:
This is my interpretation of the TvP standard matchup. Let me know about your own interpretations or thoughts! Thanks for reading!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 626
OGKoka 193
JuggernautJason161
UpATreeSC 139
TKL 119
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13462
Calm 2633
Mini 417
Shuttle 228
ggaemo 113
Aegong 39
Bonyth 10
Bale 9
IntoTheRainbow 8
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox122
C9.Mang0122
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu457
Other Games
summit1g3485
tarik_tv3036
Grubby2846
FrodaN2498
B2W.Neo437
mouzStarbuck149
ToD125
QueenE89
ZombieGrub41
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 339
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream46
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 11
• Reevou 7
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 15
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV962
League of Legends
• TFBlade939
• Doublelift261
Other Games
• imaqtpie916
• Shiphtur185
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 58m
KCM Race Survival
11h 58m
The PondCast
12h 58m
WardiTV Team League
14h 58m
BASILISK vs Team Liquid
OSC
14h 58m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
WardiTV Team League
1d 14h
Big Brain Bouts
1d 19h
Fjant vs SortOf
YoungYakov vs Krystianer
Reynor vs HeRoMaRinE
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Platinum Heroes Events
2 days
BSL
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
3 days
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
OSC
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-24
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.