• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:42
CET 16:42
KST 00:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14
Community News
ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0223LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)41Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker12PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)17
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Terran Scanner Sweep
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) WardiTV Team League Season 10 PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 BW General Discussion Which units you wish saw more use in the game? TvZ is the most complete match up
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2360 users

Advice Mech vs Swarmhosts? - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1149 Posts
September 07 2019 10:16 GMT
#21
On September 06 2019 19:14 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2019 17:47 SHODAN wrote:
neural and yamato both have the same cast range, but neural has a shorter cast time.


just want to point out that this is borderline irrelevant

yamato gun is not interrupted by neural. So if youre scanning you will get the jump on infestors. Yamato the infestors before they can neural. your neuraled BCs will then wipe out the infestors.

of course it's not that simple but BCs do have the advantage when used properly and very carefully.


it doesn't interrupt, but you don't know which infestor is going to neural which battlecruiser until after you've cast the yamatos. this part is a guessing game. you don't even know if Z is going to cast neural at all. Z could be queueing up fungal growth, a spell which comfortably outranges yamato and prevents tactical jumps. when you measure up the hit-boxes of BCs and the radius of fungal, the effective range is more like 12 or 13. fungal, shift queue, and wait for T to waste yamatos on corruptors before casting neural. lategame BCs have the advantage on maps with lots of dead air space to play with. otherwise, that advantage goes to Z, which is why I prefer thor / mass liberator on most maps.
ffFiend
Profile Joined August 2019
16 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-07 19:37:24
September 07 2019 19:35 GMT
#22
On September 06 2019 11:07 BerserkSword wrote:
Well here is what I’m saying.
Your “a little bit of everything” mech won’t win
Cyclone hellion needs to have a critical mass to fight Zerg armies and do significant damage to Zerg bases. If you’re splitting your resources evenly between tanks and turrets (turtling) AND hellion/cyclone you will likely be at a disadvantage

I see, just when I go air, I have even fewer of ground mech. so same arguing was that for me.

I tried the Gumiho Style, he was one of first to incoorporate cyc/helion in pro league, he used purely ground mech (mixed) with harassing of course - to be honest though I don't follow the scene too much, and I just saw a few games some months ago too. When I went back to not only cyc/hel I could indeed see the missing critical mass. the defensive is needed though versus counter attacks or harrass of zerg (speaking of non-SH).

other reads pending.
JackONeill
Profile Joined September 2013
861 Posts
September 08 2019 17:20 GMT
#23
Generally speaking and regardless of your composition, medivacs are the answer to SH. They allow you to drop (SHs take a lot of supply meaning less defenses), heal hellbats to kill locusts, and micro your big mech units out of locusts swoops.

At some point the locusts waves are near useless if you have enough stuff (unless he went full SH : in that case counter with a mech doom drop), and you can push out and pressure before the BL transition. Of course if the BL transition is already there, play defensively : his SH supply will make his doom air army less impressive and you can kill him when he attacks if you have enough vikings.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-12 16:23:43
September 12 2019 16:19 GMT
#24
Thinking of air units as dead supply or somehow less impactful than ground is kind of the wrong approach. You will notice nobody is suggesting you make vikings as any more than a zoning tool for overlords (no more than 1 or 2 vikings). EDIT: Mainly because vikings can't actually win you the game, or kill the hosts reliably. /EDIT Just because you have less on the ground, that doesn't mean your army is weaker.

If anything, in this context, air units are better to have. Swarmhosts can't hit air, so having an army composed entirely of air units is superior to ANY ground army when it comes to dealing with hosts.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
13:00
#74
WardiTV1113
OGKoka 297
Rex148
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko339
OGKoka 297
Rex 148
ProTech138
Harstem 137
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 9161
Jaedong 2326
Shuttle 2043
Bisu 1858
Sea 1295
Larva 811
Mini 638
Stork 600
ggaemo 344
Barracks 219
[ Show more ]
Backho 157
Sharp 135
sorry 131
JYJ 74
Sea.KH 59
ToSsGirL 55
Hm[arnc] 47
Shine 44
Aegong 38
Shinee 32
yabsab 24
Rock 23
IntoTheRainbow 22
scan(afreeca) 17
GoRush 13
Terrorterran 8
Dota 2
Gorgc4775
Dendi503
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss3489
fl0m3035
byalli828
Foxcn372
allub214
markeloff111
Other Games
singsing2549
B2W.Neo1101
hiko889
crisheroes369
Hui .274
Liquid`VortiX221
XaKoH 150
ArmadaUGS97
Mew2King75
KnowMe48
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL40487
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV304
League of Legends
• Nemesis4678
• Jankos1712
• TFBlade798
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
1h 48m
OSC
8h 18m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
20h 18m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-14
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.