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[G]ZvT Scarlett's muta/ling/bane/ultra/inf. LOTV

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masky007
Profile Joined December 2015
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 01:59:14
March 27 2016 01:13 GMT
#1
this guide was first posted here on redditi will be updating it here and on reddit as well

Hi all, recently i asked here for some more polished muta ling bane style guide/bo, than those who were already around. Some1 said preferably from Scarlett.. i took the liberty to search some replays from her (it was hard) and i found only one pure and crisp , low resrouces float. well timed replay of her vs Light doing the style...

A plea to all masters and grand masters: I am only high gold player, and i don't think i am that competent to do this all on my own, but i tried and did my best, i am asking you to help me out and squeeze out as much as possible information from this replay, analyzing replays for me is not that easy, i lack the experience.. i will be adding all the names to those who will help with analyzing her style, pointing out weak points etc.

The build order:

+ Show Spoiler +
* 18 h
* 18 p
* 19 g
* 19 ovi
* @ pool (or @ 20 supply) x2 sets if lings (4 lings total)
* @ pool x2 Queens (Queen @main inject and move down to natural, start 3rd queen immediately after first finishes, start 4th queen at natural)
* @100 gas metabolic boost (remove x2 drones from gas)
* 30 ovi

----

* (3:00min mark) take 3rd base
* @3rd Queen pops out, put 2 drones back on gas
* (3:30min mark) x2 queens
* (4:00min mark or @2base full saturation) x2 evo chambers, and x2 more gases (2nd, 3rd)
* (4:20min mark) x2 spores in mineral line at main and natural (to defend against, banshee, drops, and libs)
* (4:30min mark or @when you saturate your 2nd and 3rd gases) start: Lair, Bane nest, melee +1 attack and carapace +1 attack

----

* @Lair finishes start Spire, and start baneling speed upgrade
* @natural oversaturated take 4th gas
* @3rd base miminum saturation build a spore in mineral line
* (6:30min mark or @3 base full saturation) x2 more gases (5th, 6th), Macro hatch (macro hatch could be taken whenever you float around 1k minerals and you lack the larvae to spend your money)
* after +1/+1 finishes start +2/+2
* 8 mutalisks
* start ovi speed upgrade

----

* (7:00min mark or @3base full saturation) take 4th base (when 4th is about finish take x2 more gases (7th and 8th)
* (~8:00min mark) transfer half your drones from your main and natural to the 4th, and build 10ish more drones to the rally to 4th (you want to have 4 bases full saturation, as the main would be half dried out at this point - or 80 drone count)
* (9:00min mark) start Infestation pit, and take 5th base
* @Infesation pit finishes start Hive and flayer carapce +1
* @Hive finishes start ultralisk cavern, +3/+3 upgrades, adrenal glands, phatogen glands
* @ultralisk cavern finish start Chitinous plating
* @ soon before phatogen glands fnishes start 4-6 infestors and start Flayer carapace +2
* pump ultralisks
* followup upgrades flyer attack.. Broodlords…




Replay: Scarlett vs Light

I tried to make sense of all the timings (i.e. the 4th base she takes it a bit later, but she could really take it earlier, she had the resources and units to defend it ... i think she was little late on that)

notes:
The aim is 80~ drone count by the time you get into the late game.. from that point you transfer drones from bases as the mineral lines drys out. I want to add that she floats very little resources with 80 drone count thus telling how this style depends heavily on your macro!
11:30~12:30 minutes the close mineral patches on the natural and the far mineral patches on the main are used up and she transfer drones to the 5th.


against widow mines she takes +2 first carapace and than +1 flayers attack, against libs she takes first flyers +1 attack and she goes up to 20ish mutalisks.
I am not sure if she puts spores for every ZvT match or only against banshees play - but i want to put them there becase they defend with anything terran can put at you - drops, libs, banshees (and i think she didn't had scouting information when she put the spores down)...
it seems like she can't wait to get her hands on those mutas.. with the first 1-2 mutalisks she rallys them in the opponents base to harass and pumps them up.. even when Light had 3+ libs she didn't switch to corruptors but she tries to hold the number around 20ish mutalisks... first she makes around 8-12 and takes the upgrades... than she tries to keep them around 20ish. Map control with the mutalisks is crucial, denying his 4th base, shutting down drops in mid air, taking out widow mines (she always has 1 Overseer for that purpose with the mutalisks).
She makes use of the infestors in two ways - traps liberators and pumps infested terran to kill the trapped libs.. and against the bio ball she traps them to run them over with ultras/banes.

note2: I found one more replay she playing the style vs DeMuslIM, but with variations, the timings are not that crisp as in the game i explained here, she doesn't removes drones from the gas in this game, and also she builds roach warren (3 ravagers 1 roach) the ravagers are used to defend against liberators. She also dosen't takes the spores as in the game vs. Light if you want to analyze the game (compare and find similarities) you can download it from here please share the info with all of us if you do.


Thank you everyone, i hope this will turn out well (i am wondering if Scarlett will showup and help us out directly :D)


List to all who contributed to this guide:
-Scarlett (for playing this style in a crisp way - obviously xD)
-two100meterman (for pointing out the relation between the timings/mineral saturation, and drone transferings)


UPDATE 1: Text updated with two100meterman notes 27/03/16 1:43 CET time

EDIT: If you play this, please let us all know how it goes on ladder, upload replays if you want and stuff like that.. let's refine the style for LOTV as much as we can all together. Ty!
ZikMoZ
Profile Joined March 2014
Denmark22 Posts
March 27 2016 01:49 GMT
#2
Well done, i'll try to play around with this BO, thanks for posting it
masky007
Profile Joined December 2015
15 Posts
March 27 2016 02:00 GMT
#3
On March 27 2016 10:49 ZikMoZ wrote:
Well done, i'll try to play around with this BO, thanks for posting it


ty i hope it works well out for you, tell us your results with it
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 27 2016 03:36 GMT
#4
I'll also test this out when I play a bit more SC. Been doing a roach/ravager sort of thing recently, kinda like Snute (but obviously I'm a lot worse).
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 08:13:37
March 27 2016 08:13 GMT
#5
doesn't Scarlett lose way too many ZvTs because she plays LBM, stays 20 supply behind and then can't even take a 4th let alone get to hive comfortably?
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masky007
Profile Joined December 2015
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 08:53:08
March 27 2016 08:51 GMT
#6
On March 27 2016 17:13 Ej_ wrote:
doesn't Scarlett lose way too many ZvTs because she plays LBM, stays 20 supply behind and then can't even take a 4th let alone get to hive comfortably?

You mean she looses way to many lingBaneMuta cause she stays 20 supply behind in the process? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2331025/1/Scarlett/ladder/leagues#current-rank she seems to be top GM with impressive ratio w/l (i mean this is Scarlett yoo daa).. do you suggest that lingBaneMuta is somehow inferior in LOTV? Or you mean the way she plays it..? please elaborate some more i can't kinda get what you are saying. thx
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 10:48:36
March 27 2016 10:46 GMT
#7
against widow mines she takes +2 first carapace and than +1 flayers attack, against libs she takes first flyers +1 attack and she goes up to 20ish mutalisks.

why attack vs liberators and carapace vs widow mines? shouldn't it be carapace vs liberators because of their multi hit anti air splash, and attack vs widow mines because armor is no good against widow mine shots?

or do you mean ground carapace?

On March 27 2016 17:51 masky007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 17:13 Ej_ wrote:
doesn't Scarlett lose way too many ZvTs because she plays LBM, stays 20 supply behind and then can't even take a 4th let alone get to hive comfortably?

You mean she looses way to many lingBaneMuta cause she stays 20 supply behind in the process? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2331025/1/Scarlett/ladder/leagues#current-rank she seems to be top GM with impressive ratio w/l (i mean this is Scarlett yoo daa).. do you suggest that lingBaneMuta is somehow inferior in LOTV? Or you mean the way she plays it..? please elaborate some more i can't kinda get what you are saying. thx

i think it's harder in LOTV than it was in HOTS because you need very good macro and a macro hatch. but it's still a good style as long as you are going for hive
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masky007
Profile Joined December 2015
15 Posts
March 27 2016 10:52 GMT
#8
On March 27 2016 19:46 brickrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
against widow mines she takes +2 first carapace and than +1 flayers attack, against libs she takes first flyers +1 attack and she goes up to 20ish mutalisks.

why attack vs liberators and carapace vs widow mines? shouldn't it be carapace vs liberators because of their multi hit anti air splash, and attack vs widow mines because armor is no good against widow mine shots?

or do you mean ground carapace?

Show nested quote +
On March 27 2016 17:51 masky007 wrote:
On March 27 2016 17:13 Ej_ wrote:
doesn't Scarlett lose way too many ZvTs because she plays LBM, stays 20 supply behind and then can't even take a 4th let alone get to hive comfortably?

You mean she looses way to many lingBaneMuta cause she stays 20 supply behind in the process? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2331025/1/Scarlett/ladder/leagues#current-rank she seems to be top GM with impressive ratio w/l (i mean this is Scarlett yoo daa).. do you suggest that lingBaneMuta is somehow inferior in LOTV? Or you mean the way she plays it..? please elaborate some more i can't kinda get what you are saying. thx

i think it's harder in LOTV than it was in HOTS because you need very good macro and a macro hatch. but it's still a good style as long as you are going for hive



about the upgrades that's what i noticed from her other replays (or maybe it's not related in that way - that's why i asked for help from the more exp. players - the logic to me seems that widow mines one mistake and your muta flock can be dead - against libs idk maybe becase she has mass mutas she inteds to a click and insta kill a liberator - does that makes sense to you?)
relphie
Profile Joined February 2013
5 Posts
March 27 2016 17:46 GMT
#9
I would definitely focus more on the scout timings and when she gets units. It is good to watch pro replays and pick up on build orders, but pros' build orders are really dependent on scouting and reacting quickly/optimally.
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