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Skrita
Profile Joined May 2011
Czech Republic55 Posts
December 25 2015 20:53 GMT
#21
This guide seems disgustingly good. I hope my opponents wont read this.

Great work
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
December 25 2015 21:03 GMT
#22
On December 26 2015 05:32 baabaa wrote:
aren't there already enough diamond / master protoss players with 50 APM?

Players like you are my favourite opponents. Those who afterwards message you to tell you what a horrible player you are because you didn't have enough APM, while they smashed their head way more often on the keyboard (which is the only way I see many getting their APM, for sure it isn't managing anything useful).

On December 26 2015 05:41 weikor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 03:25 Charoisaur wrote:
On December 26 2015 02:42 DanceSC wrote:
On December 26 2015 01:55 geokilla wrote:
Another dirty Protoss build. Why don't we ever get Terran builds?!

The concept is still the same across races
Terran players already defend with the liberator / widow mine combo, instead of cannons you can place missile turrets and siege tanks like in broodwar. Use ghosts for emp or snipes like a protoss would use high templar, The PF's provide better base defense because they can be repaired and are always active. When it gets to late game nukes are much more effective because there will be more area to work with.

If you are zerg, this is like hots ZvP but instead of the swarm hosts you mix in lurkers and use more gglords

It only really works for protoss because 200/200 airtoss >>>airterran/airzerg


Youd think that, but the fact is that terran can actually destroy a carrier army in a direct engagement with far less investment, while no other race can accomplish that.

In a direct engagement I see zerg quite easily winning with corruptors. How is Terran going to win? I have seen people saying Liberators, and I tried it a few times, but liberators died so fast, with plenty of interceptors left. Battlecruisers with full energy work in a straight up engagement, however add release interceptors + HTs and that option is gone.

Unless I manage to be able to fight him before he has critical mass of carrier / when I got a huge air lead, the only way I have been able to beat toss air armies is by making a missile turret field right outside his base without him noticing, and hoping he has the ratio tempests/carriers wrong. (Or forgot about HTs).

nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
December 25 2015 22:32 GMT
#23
you make corruptors, he makes voidrays
you make vipers, he makes high Templar

you need 7 carriers to 1-shot a corruptor
upwards of 20 corruptors to 1-shot a carrier.
that's 42 supply vs 40 respectively while carriers cost at least twice as much.
on paper it works but practically speaking, it doesn't.
all it takes is one storm and your ideal fight is ruined. then there's the fact that carriers can carry over and hit ground units too. I don't know, it comes down to the high Templar.

as for people thinking that Vikings > carriers, no they kinda don't, surprisingly. it's been like this since WoL.
the dps is too high and Viking too squishy.
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Viperbird
Profile Joined September 2010
United States118 Posts
December 25 2015 22:42 GMT
#24
I would like to see a defend with supply depots and missle turrets into getting a good unit that does splash damage for terran.... oh wait?
If at first you don't succeed, don't try skydiving!
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
December 25 2015 22:55 GMT
#25
hey i didnt make any graphi- oh thats not my name...
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
December 25 2015 23:27 GMT
#26
hahahaha "we aim for avoiding the stalemate turtle style that hots created". pro level game design happened that created such a build. merry christmas
Thyriaen
Profile Joined December 2011
Switzerland41 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-25 23:37:51
December 25 2015 23:37 GMT
#27
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
December 26 2015 00:46 GMT
#28
From the title, I was expecting this article to be a retrospective on Rain's career...

This guide was a welcome surprise.
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kuan888
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada305 Posts
December 26 2015 01:14 GMT
#29
Ketroc switched to protoss ?
What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. -Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ||| Acer.Scarlett <3
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 26 2015 03:13 GMT
#30
We all should do Turtle builds. (no joke)

Mech for Terran
Spines with BL for zerg (I can stand a chance in ZvZ haha)
And this for protoss

Wonder if blizzard would mind this new way of playing. Nah DK seems like a cool dude.

#TurtleMode
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1549 Posts
December 26 2015 03:35 GMT
#31
On December 26 2015 12:13 Shapelog wrote:
We all should do Turtle builds. (no joke)

Mech for Terran
Spines with BL for zerg (I can stand a chance in ZvZ haha)
And this for protoss

Wonder if blizzard would mind this new way of playing. Nah DK seems like a cool dude.

#TurtleMode


Skyterran yes, but turtle mech isnt that strong in lotv.

Doesnt work vs protoss
Doesn't work after hive vs Zerg
Disadvantaged vs terran bio
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
December 26 2015 05:19 GMT
#32
On December 26 2015 12:35 jinjin5000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2015 12:13 Shapelog wrote:
We all should do Turtle builds. (no joke)

Mech for Terran
Spines with BL for zerg (I can stand a chance in ZvZ haha)
And this for protoss

Wonder if blizzard would mind this new way of playing. Nah DK seems like a cool dude.

#TurtleMode


Skyterran yes, but turtle mech isnt that strong in lotv.

Doesnt work vs protoss
Doesn't work after hive vs Zerg
Disadvantaged vs terran bio


Good point
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
December 26 2015 08:34 GMT
#33
On December 26 2015 01:47 corydoras wrote:
I just took a look at the screenshots and this feels like Christma...err..this feels like being 16 again and playing Brood War with my friends - these are my freaking cannon walls that I was building back then!

Thanks :D

Reminded me of the same thing hehe, I even wrote a big strategy piece way back in the day featuring a similar turtle toss strat for rush hour 2 pvz haha > _<

Though I think I called it Sim City toss.

This made me want to play some SC2, but dont think I should - seems like it could waste a lot of time hahah :D
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
QNdie
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland210 Posts
December 26 2015 10:56 GMT
#34
On December 26 2015 08:27 boxerfred wrote:
hahahaha "we aim for avoiding the stalemate turtle style that hots created". pro level game design happened that created such a build. merry christmas


Yeah it is a turtle style but it isn't the only way to play and doesn't seem to be the strongest/easiest build in the world either. Having diversity in strategy is good, hots devolved into either turtle-fests or all-ins at some point and, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think we're seeing so much of this nowadays.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
December 26 2015 11:43 GMT
#35
why is tl supporting a playstyle like this? this is not helping sc2s growth...
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
December 26 2015 12:57 GMT
#36
On December 26 2015 20:43 graNite wrote:
why is tl supporting a playstyle like this? this is not helping sc2s growth...

Says who?
AkashSky
Profile Joined May 2014
United States257 Posts
December 26 2015 14:06 GMT
#37
This build is fucking cancer...like terran mech and the old swarm host vipor strategy.

Nonetheless, I always love teamliquid write ups and their high quality.

I just really hope that some glaring flaw in this style is found so that it never becomes remotely close to meta; as I just don't want starcraft to be about camping behind static defense.
MiCroLiFe
Profile Joined March 2012
Norway275 Posts
December 26 2015 19:24 GMT
#38
On December 26 2015 01:55 geokilla wrote:
Another dirty Protoss build. Why don't we ever get Terran builds?!

because its just ONe terran build. fast cyclone or die.
Im Terran. Yes i will balance whine somethimes. And thats how we terrans survive, Hoping for balance patches<3
Gamlet
Profile Joined December 2012
Ukraine336 Posts
December 26 2015 20:52 GMT
#39
Stasis wards work if you play this style?
Kiev
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
December 26 2015 21:54 GMT
#40
On December 26 2015 23:06 AkashSky wrote:
This build is fucking cancer...like terran mech and the old swarm host vipor strategy.

Nonetheless, I always love teamliquid write ups and their high quality.

I just really hope that some glaring flaw in this style is found so that it never becomes remotely close to meta; as I just don't want starcraft to be about camping behind static defense.



If anything maybe Terrans will start using nukes to combat this style. One can dream
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