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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
March 06 2017 18:31 GMT
#1361
What is the transition you need to do in TvZ around the start of your 4th base when the zerg goes into ultra/Corruptors+meatshield, sometimes he still has some mutas?
I tried liberators / mines but I can't trade well enough, marines take too much time to kill corruptors or are getting swarmed.

Has the liberator nerf something to do with it?
Do I need air upgrades earlier?
WriterMaru
Ryu3600
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada470 Posts
March 06 2017 18:39 GMT
#1362
On March 07 2017 03:31 Poopi wrote:
What is the transition you need to do in TvZ around the start of your 4th base when the zerg goes into ultra/Corruptors+meatshield, sometimes he still has some mutas?
I tried liberators / mines but I can't trade well enough, marines take too much time to kill corruptors or are getting swarmed.

Has the liberator nerf something to do with it?
Do I need air upgrades earlier?


Stop making mines, start turtling w/ lib ghost PF if you want factory units siege tanks will be better if you can get a high enough attack. 1-2 Thors wouldn't hurt either and marines are only there to clear out lings if you can try to meatshield with thor marauder and use ghosts to snipe the ultralisks.
Maru is the best Terran ever.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
March 06 2017 20:01 GMT
#1363
I would rather not use ghosts especially if the Z didn't bother to add infestors.
I have tanks/thors as well but +1/+2 atk doesn't seem to be enough.
WriterMaru
Ryu3600
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada470 Posts
March 06 2017 20:29 GMT
#1364
On March 07 2017 05:01 Poopi wrote:
I would rather not use ghosts especially if the Z didn't bother to add infestors.
I have tanks/thors as well but +1/+2 atk doesn't seem to be enough.


Sadly ghosts are just a must use.They are stupid, incredibly hard to use and one of the dumbest ways for Terran to beat ultralisks however... The way I cope with it is to watch someone like TY. In my opinion, there is no Terran with better late game control than TY. And I am certain Ty has mastered the ghost. With TY recently winning IEM I think a lot of Terrans should aim to have as good of a late game as Ty cause when ByuN's early-mid game aggression could not beat Stats Ty's masterful control and late game prowess sure did
Maru is the best Terran ever.
bretfart
Profile Joined July 2012
114 Posts
March 09 2017 09:42 GMT
#1365
Hey guys,

I'm currently learning how to play Terran (I am Diamond Tier 2 Zerg + Toss). My question is about macro terran against Zerg. I usually go 2 Rax with 16 Marine Stimpush at around 5 min mark + 1 Liberator. What's the correct BO after that for a macro game? Is it...

A) 3rd CC, +3 Rax, double ebay
B) 3rd CC, dobule ebay, +3 Rax
C) double ebay, 3rd CC, +3 Rax
D) Something else?

thefrol
Profile Joined July 2012
Russian Federation30 Posts
March 09 2017 12:19 GMT
#1366
On March 09 2017 18:42 bretfart wrote:
B) 3rd CC, double ebay, +3 Rax



I think this is the best option. And a bit later 3 more rax, so you have around 8 rax on three bases and start fourth CC.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-09 13:50:23
March 09 2017 13:47 GMT
#1367
On March 09 2017 18:42 bretfart wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm currently learning how to play Terran (I am Diamond Tier 2 Zerg + Toss). My question is about macro terran against Zerg. I usually go 2 Rax with 16 Marine Stimpush at around 5 min mark + 1 Liberator. What's the correct BO after that for a macro game? Is it...

A) 3rd CC, +3 Rax, double ebay
B) 3rd CC, dobule ebay, +3 Rax
C) double ebay, 3rd CC, +3 Rax
D) Something else?



B) or C)

I've been using C) for the past 6 months, so 1/1 and 2/2 often finish before the zergs. Hitting those timings can be pretty deadly.
What you need to do is stop starport production after your first 3-4 medivacs/liberators, then resume it after you're done with B) or C)
Otherwise it delays your expand/upgrades by a lot.
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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bretfart
Profile Joined July 2012
114 Posts
March 09 2017 13:53 GMT
#1368
thank you very much for your answers!
Ryu3600
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada470 Posts
March 09 2017 16:45 GMT
#1369
Hey guys I have an actual question this isn't a hate question or me ripping on a race but I have so many friends who are Zergs and Terran but I can't ever find a Protoss who wants to befriend me or practice with me. They are either really rude or just super cheesy... Do you guys have similar experiences?? (I won't lie I do have some close friends who are Protoss but they are way better than me it's just the Protoss's I've seen at my MMR just aren't really the friendliest...
Maru is the best Terran ever.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
March 09 2017 16:54 GMT
#1370
On March 10 2017 01:45 Ryu3600 wrote:
Hey guys I have an actual question this isn't a hate question or me ripping on a race but I have so many friends who are Zergs and Terran but I can't ever find a Protoss who wants to befriend me or practice with me. They are either really rude or just super cheesy... Do you guys have similar experiences?? (I won't lie I do have some close friends who are Protoss but they are way better than me it's just the Protoss's I've seen at my MMR just aren't really the friendliest...


Never noticed a particular race being more bm than another, but cheese is obviously a bit more common because of the race general style.
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Ryu3600
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada470 Posts
March 09 2017 17:52 GMT
#1371
On March 10 2017 01:54 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2017 01:45 Ryu3600 wrote:
Hey guys I have an actual question this isn't a hate question or me ripping on a race but I have so many friends who are Zergs and Terran but I can't ever find a Protoss who wants to befriend me or practice with me. They are either really rude or just super cheesy... Do you guys have similar experiences?? (I won't lie I do have some close friends who are Protoss but they are way better than me it's just the Protoss's I've seen at my MMR just aren't really the friendliest...


Never noticed a particular race being more bm than another, but cheese is obviously a bit more common because of the race general style.



I just want a protoss practice partner who is at my level.. But they either hate me or cheese me making me dislike them v-v
Maru is the best Terran ever.
bretfart
Profile Joined July 2012
114 Posts
March 09 2017 18:12 GMT
#1372
Maybe you are the problem then :D

Just kidding. Never noticed something like that before. Only thing I've noticed is that maybe 3/10 people in Diamond / Platin league say "gl hf" and/or "gg". Maybe back on topic now!
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
March 09 2017 18:28 GMT
#1373
On March 10 2017 02:52 Ryu3600 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2017 01:54 ArtyK wrote:
On March 10 2017 01:45 Ryu3600 wrote:
Hey guys I have an actual question this isn't a hate question or me ripping on a race but I have so many friends who are Zergs and Terran but I can't ever find a Protoss who wants to befriend me or practice with me. They are either really rude or just super cheesy... Do you guys have similar experiences?? (I won't lie I do have some close friends who are Protoss but they are way better than me it's just the Protoss's I've seen at my MMR just aren't really the friendliest...


Never noticed a particular race being more bm than another, but cheese is obviously a bit more common because of the race general style.



I just want a protoss practice partner who is at my level.. But they either hate me or cheese me making me dislike them v-v


what's your mmr? Maybe try using the practice partner thread
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Ryu3600
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada470 Posts
March 09 2017 23:49 GMT
#1374
Its probably just my luck but whenever I get cheesed I don't really want to play again vs that person and if I win I usually get bm'd and if they win standard they are BM
Maru is the best Terran ever.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
March 09 2017 23:59 GMT
#1375
Where can I find vods (or even better replays :D) of still used popular builds such as 2-1-1 in TvZ with double medivac + stim?
I have a rough idea of how to do it but I'd like the "official" version, often when watching live TvZ it's hard to follow the builds, especially since we don't always have the Terran pov.
Is there a known vod of such build where you can see and/or guess the build from start to 2 medics 16 marines stim incoming at the Zerg base?
WriterMaru
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-10 00:38:57
March 10 2017 00:36 GMT
#1376
On March 10 2017 08:59 Poopi wrote:
Where can I find vods (or even better replays :D) of still used popular builds such as 2-1-1 in TvZ with double medivac + stim?
I have a rough idea of how to do it but I'd like the "official" version, often when watching live TvZ it's hard to follow the builds, especially since we don't always have the Terran pov.
Is there a known vod of such build where you can see and/or guess the build from start to 2 medics 16 marines stim incoming at the Zerg base?



Old but gold :



I'm sure you can find the 2-1-1 on spawningtool or something, but this vod should be enough for the first 5 minutes of the build
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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eeChiama
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Argentina96 Posts
March 10 2017 17:49 GMT
#1377
I'm being forced into very late game vs Zerg. I've been going Marine+Marauder+Ghost, but it find it very hard to micro. I see some ppl use thors as meatshield. But how are you getting the upgrades? After bio 3-3 you go for mech/air armor? And throw the thors in the front and hope for some good snipes?
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
March 11 2017 18:00 GMT
#1378
If you play mech in TvP how do you counter mass phoenix into mass phoenix/adepts?
Ryu3600
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada470 Posts
March 12 2017 01:50 GMT
#1379
On March 12 2017 03:00 MockHamill wrote:
If you play mech in TvP how do you counter mass phoenix into mass phoenix/adepts?


widows and thors are my guess.
Maru is the best Terran ever.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
March 12 2017 05:59 GMT
#1380
I don't know how many times I've asked this, but how do you play TvT? It's my worst matchup by far, having a win rate of roughly 40% compared to TvZ and TvP this season which is around 70 and 60% respectively. I've tried learning from Polt and for months I still suck at TvT.
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