• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:35
CEST 18:35
KST 01:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy15ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research7Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Behind the scenes footage of ASL21 Group E BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group E 🌍 Weekly Foreign Showmatches [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1919 users

Playing without location hotkeys

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Carefoot
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada410 Posts
April 11 2015 20:17 GMT
#1
Hi I play with a Happy Hacking Keyboard 2 and, it has no non-function F1 keys. So I was curious if I could play without them as I have bound the home (normally enter) to my mouse side button, with idle probe, and army idle on the mouse as well. I cycle my nexi with the home button and, can spam chrono. However I think I would be GM level with location hotkeys and, I was curious if anyone made it far without the location hotkeys. Most pros use it, and I was wondering if there were any specifically protoss who are notable who go without location hotkeys much love.

I was going to buy a PS4, but then I game to my senses that I am going GM in Legacy & Streaming so that is my plan let me know if you need a practice partner who made round of 16 in GSL season 3 & March 2011 respectfully (code A).
https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400ws

Also can someone make me a TL page with my stream, and SC2 history?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Carefoot

Much love.
The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars http://twitch.tv/NickCarefoot
varsovie
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada326 Posts
April 11 2015 20:46 GMT
#2
On April 12 2015 05:17 Carefoot wrote:

Also can someone make me a TL page with my stream, and SC2 history?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Carefoot



Yes, you.


As for your keyboard... Maybe you could bind location hotkey to "alt"+Key on the number or QWERTY rows, with shift + ALT to create them (since you don't create them that often).

Or try an alternate layout like TheCore or FleetHotkey, although the layout of the CTRL/ALT key location might screw those.

Defenestrator
Profile Joined October 2011
400 Posts
April 12 2015 01:46 GMT
#3
I only use hotkeys 1-7 for protoss and terran (1-6 for zerg), so I assign 8-0 to camera hotkeys.
Ultras and banelings go together like peas and carrots
Quakecomm
Profile Joined April 2012
United States344 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 05:04:15
April 12 2015 03:08 GMT
#4
You could use "The Core".
<http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/341878-thecore-advanced-keyboard-layout>
I use it, and I like it a lot. It doesn't use any function keys in game play.
gorkey island is the only good map
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
April 12 2015 03:28 GMT
#5
im zerg and bind the bases to 5 6 7 8 and double tap, there is a queen in this grp as well so i can inject, base always lines up perfect center of screen. is this what ur asking?
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
April 12 2015 03:47 GMT
#6
I don't think location hotkeys are a necessity, but they are obviously helpful. I'd recommend remapping them, however, as F keys aren't very convenient, anyway. It's not like you need all of them, so if you rebind a few things, you could probably slip them into the left side of the keyboard (Q through B).
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10700 Posts
April 12 2015 03:59 GMT
#7
On April 12 2015 05:17 Carefoot wrote:

Also can someone make me a TL page with my stream, and SC2 history?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Carefoot

Much love.


Is this a paid or voluntary position?
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 10:45:36
April 12 2015 10:41 GMT
#8
I was wondering if there were any specifically protoss who are notable who go without location hotkeys much love.


Rotterdam has been GM a couple of times, he doesn't use location hotkeys as far as I know. Don't think Nathanias (terran, another GM) does either. These guys don't have the best mechanics, though. It's a handicap for sure if you don't use them.


BTW just curious, you mention GSL code A. I followed GSL quite a bit back then, but I've never heard of you.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Code_A

What was your nickname back then?
-Switch-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada506 Posts
April 12 2015 11:11 GMT
#9
On April 12 2015 10:46 Defenestrator wrote:
I only use hotkeys 1-7 for protoss and terran (1-6 for zerg), so I assign 8-0 to camera hotkeys.


You're crazy mate
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
April 12 2015 11:15 GMT
#10
On April 12 2015 19:41 Bojas wrote:
Show nested quote +
I was wondering if there were any specifically protoss who are notable who go without location hotkeys much love.


Rotterdam has been GM a couple of times, he doesn't use location hotkeys as far as I know. Don't think Nathanias (terran, another GM) does either. These guys don't have the best mechanics, though. It's a handicap for sure if you don't use them.


BTW just curious, you mention GSL code A. I followed GSL quite a bit back then, but I've never heard of you.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Code_A

What was your nickname back then?


It's just a troll and not hard to spot either. I watched his last twitch vod and he was playing in gold league with a bad winrate.
So, don't worry OP. In gold league, it's already above average if you use hotkeys and control groups. I doubt that camera hotkeys are that common below masters. It definitely helps using them but it won't get you 4 leagues higher.
MagnuMizer
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Denmark384 Posts
April 12 2015 11:26 GMT
#11
TBH when i see pro's stream, they only use the camera location hotkeys for the start of the game.
And they always just use them for their bases, spamming between them.
But later on, i've noticed that they somehow forget about using them and just use the minimap instead.

If you could master the use of camera hotkeys, and not just use them for your bases (because you actually have a specific button for that) then that could make you a faster player, i garuantee it.

Other than that i feel they are quite overrated. I don't use them either, but then again i'm just a scrub master league player.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
April 12 2015 14:26 GMT
#12
On April 12 2015 20:15 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 19:41 Bojas wrote:
I was wondering if there were any specifically protoss who are notable who go without location hotkeys much love.


Rotterdam has been GM a couple of times, he doesn't use location hotkeys as far as I know. Don't think Nathanias (terran, another GM) does either. These guys don't have the best mechanics, though. It's a handicap for sure if you don't use them.


BTW just curious, you mention GSL code A. I followed GSL quite a bit back then, but I've never heard of you.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Code_A

What was your nickname back then?


It's just a troll and not hard to spot either. I watched his last twitch vod and he was playing in gold league with a bad winrate.
So, don't worry OP. In gold league, it's already above average if you use hotkeys and control groups. I doubt that camera hotkeys are that common below masters. It definitely helps using them but it won't get you 4 leagues higher.

Can't believe I didn't recognize it lol. It's pretty obvious in hindsight.

@MagnuMizer are you sure you don't see (good) pros use them? I feel they are crucial for high eapm. Day 9 did a daily feauturing them:

Highly recommend you watch it and give your thoughts as a master league player who doesn't use them .
Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
April 12 2015 18:34 GMT
#13
Nothing at all overrated about camera hotkeys.
Pensai
Profile Joined January 2014
Canada7 Posts
April 13 2015 04:10 GMT
#14
I'd say camera hotkeys are incredibly important to effective play. You're a faster player, not just in APM but in execution as well. They are oh so helpful, but not necessary to play without. Destiny is GM without the use of camera hotkeys at all.
MagnuMizer
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Denmark384 Posts
April 13 2015 20:42 GMT
#15
On April 12 2015 23:26 Bojas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2015 20:15 KingAlphard wrote:
On April 12 2015 19:41 Bojas wrote:
I was wondering if there were any specifically protoss who are notable who go without location hotkeys much love.


Rotterdam has been GM a couple of times, he doesn't use location hotkeys as far as I know. Don't think Nathanias (terran, another GM) does either. These guys don't have the best mechanics, though. It's a handicap for sure if you don't use them.


BTW just curious, you mention GSL code A. I followed GSL quite a bit back then, but I've never heard of you.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Code_A

What was your nickname back then?


It's just a troll and not hard to spot either. I watched his last twitch vod and he was playing in gold league with a bad winrate.
So, don't worry OP. In gold league, it's already above average if you use hotkeys and control groups. I doubt that camera hotkeys are that common below masters. It definitely helps using them but it won't get you 4 leagues higher.

Can't believe I didn't recognize it lol. It's pretty obvious in hindsight.

@MagnuMizer are you sure you don't see (good) pros use them? I feel they are crucial for high eapm. Day 9 did a daily feauturing them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUohpQKVf_A
Highly recommend you watch it and give your thoughts as a master league player who doesn't use them .


Yeah, I used to watch Day9 back when it was relevant for me - I was platinum then.
I remember this video as well. And as I stated in my previous post, it would indeed be beneficial to master the use of camera hotkeys. Re-hotkeying new locations and replacing old ones constantly during the game would enable you to respond faster to different situations than just using them for macro - i.e. hotkeying the base locations.

As for pro's, good ones too, I feel the camera hotkeys are underused in that aspect. That is just my impression and I may be completely wrong, but I've been watching streams for quite a while now, also during my training to become a better player, and during that time I have noticed the way pro's use the camera hotkeys and as I said, they mainly use them for macro purposes.

As a Terran you could use the camera locations at certain hotspots where you often do drops. In general you can hotkey a common fighting location, I have also seen some people hotkey the location of their main ramp or you could also hotkey the location of where you are currently attacking. There are certainly possibilities like this that are viable, but it's another aspect of already difficult mechanics to master. On top of microing and macroing, hotkeying units and structures you would also have to stay on top of your camera hotkeys - as a mere human that is quite the tall order.

That is the optimal use of camera hotkeys I feel. And personally, I don't want to incorperate another set of mechanics - suboptimally - just to cycle between the bases when I have a single button for it. Granted the camera hotkeys lets you choose which base to look at specifically, but with the cycling button you just cycle through them 1 by 1. As a Protoss player I average 2 bases in all my games, so I figured there is no need for the camera hotkeys. But if I would ever aspire to become the best, I would definitely look into ways that would make me become as fast as I could be.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Team League
12:45
Group B
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 642
ProTech127
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32528
Calm 5455
Sea 1549
Bisu 1222
Mini 785
EffOrt 750
Soma 266
firebathero 195
ggaemo 191
Rush 139
[ Show more ]
hero 95
HiyA 68
Hyun 34
Shinee 32
Aegong 27
scan(afreeca) 20
Rock 15
IntoTheRainbow 14
soO 10
Sexy 9
Dota 2
Gorgc5408
canceldota126
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2078
fl0m1256
ceh9571
kRYSTAL_39
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 134
Other Games
singsing1816
FrodaN1643
B2W.Neo801
Beastyqt578
DeMusliM239
KnowMe137
QueenE47
Trikslyr29
C9.Mang027
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4106
• TFBlade1154
Other Games
• Shiphtur149
Upcoming Events
OSC
7h 25m
RSL Revival
17h 25m
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 17h
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-31
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.