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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Motlu
Australia884 Posts
Basically you do a two base blink with no sentries and use pylons to wall yourself behind the smoke. From here you just blink up and down from the highground. If you want a VOD of this I think he did it against soO in the GSL semifinals last GSL season. Edit: This is for PvZ | ||
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vhapter
Brazil677 Posts
Secret Spring looks awful for macro games, but I guess you could just do blink all ins PvT and either a blink all in or a straight up build like a 10 gate in PvP. But PvZ... I dunno. On the one hand, there's a long distance between the main and the possible thirds, so it may not be easy to deal with pressure without making a lot of units. But on the other hand, it's so freaking open that it's an awful macro map. I don't want to play "control the 3 chokes or have an infinite surplus of force fields". | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
Reason being I don't want two Deadwings in the pool and I don't horribly mind Catallena, since I hate SS/EL. | ||
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On January 13 2015 11:38 Xinzoe wrote: all of these maps seem hard for pvt macro games. gotta go phoenix colossus everygame and then play against scv pull...... boring..... more like impossible, the only games that I've won have been heavy blink pressures to even give me time to get aoe tech, and this is only diamond level so i'm sure it won't work soon | ||
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NarAliya
14 Posts
I'm a new player and I picked Protoss. Actually I'm not new, I played 300 career games and most of them as Zerg during WoL. I changed to Protoss but my style of play won't change. I love timing attacks and all-ins. I guess the WC3 player in me demands aggressive tactics! My favourite Zerg build was DRG's Roach/Ling/Baneling Big Bust. I used it vs Terrans, Protoss and Zergs and always hit at around 7:30. If it didn't kill them, I able to transition into a 3rd base and kill them with a large push. I still want to play this aggressive style full of action. So, if some fine gentlemen can hit me up with a build per matchup that I can practice and get started with? And please, no comments about learning how to play long macro games. If I haven't won by 10mins, I'll just leave anyway. Thank you very much! | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/447483-the-great-book-of-protoss-bullshit Take a look here an pick your favourite. Sounds like you picked the right race :D | ||
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the caz dog
Australia17 Posts
Hey Teoita, speaking of abusive shenanigans, that Hitman 7-Gate off one Assimilator (the one Pig brought recently highlighted) is dirty as hell and works a treat. Definitely one to add to the next volume of bullshit. | ||
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NarAliya
14 Posts
On January 13 2015 18:51 Teoita wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/474048-protoss-stupid-shit-that-works-on-ladder http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/447483-the-great-book-of-protoss-bullshit Take a look here an pick your favourite. Sounds like you picked the right race :D Hi, thanks for your timely post. I was wondering, does the 3 gate Robo still work? Only, I really love Immortals and the way they look and sound. I would like to use them regularly in some builds. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On January 13 2015 11:38 Xinzoe wrote: all of these maps seem hard for pvt macro games. gotta go phoenix colossus everygame and then play against scv pull...... boring..... You can also go 1 base blink in secret spring... and proxy robo behind the rocks in expedition lost. On January 13 2015 18:57 the caz dog wrote: Yes, welcome to Protoss NarAliya. Hey Teoita, speaking of abusive shenanigans, that Hitman 7-Gate off one Assimilator (the one Pig brought recently highlighted) is dirty as hell and works a treat. Definitely one to add to the next volume of bullshit. The thing is it requires you to go nexus gate, which isn't a very good ladder opening. Early pools are becoming popular once again. | ||
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TedBurtle
Belarus201 Posts
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Motlu
Australia884 Posts
VOD of Zest doing this vs Flash on King Sejong here: | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Psychotikah
Canada101 Posts
I enjoy playing this game a lot, but my time is very limited. I have played for many seasons and always aim to place high Platinum (not very ambitious I know). I play a very boring passive macro style in basically every matchup and it serves me very well, since it highlights my strengths as a player (map awareness, solid understanding of the information I gather, positioning and general smart play) and hides my weaknesses (very limited APM of a very tired but very proud dad). After playing a bit around the new maps this season I have decided to practice new things for the whole season since I very much dislike the map pool. I wish to try styles that are a bit more "in your face" so I can train to use my APM in a more active way. While I consider myself a very slow player (70 to 90apm playing Toss), I use my actions efficiently with camera hotkeys and all the good stuff. My micro is average to decent imo for platinum. So I have decided to practice new builds and I need some suggestions on their viability and some pointers too, if you guys don't mind. For PvP I just want to go blink all-in. So far it's going very very very well but I get BO pwnt against early DTs (I know that it's normal). I was wondering if making a sentry before MSC would help me since I could scout with a fake pheonix or would this weaken my all-in too much? Anyway, PvP is fine. For PvT, I just wanted to ask you guys if there was a "widow mine safe" non all-in blink build that I could use? I would very much like to try something else than the passive gate - expand into robo. That passive style had done wonders for me (90% pvt last season in plat) but I really want to try something else. Now, for the meaty question, PvZ. I found this aggro SG build on imba build that seem like it would fit my style well. Is this build still relevant in the current meta for plat/dia level? Furthermore, I have read a lot about the modern +2/blink 3 base macro style but I can't seem to find a build order. Could someone point me towards one? Also, I would like to know how does this style fare against big Hydra heavy mid game roach/hydra swells that aim to break your 3rd. I have the impression that you might be light on robo units to deflect that. Am I wrong? Just to be clear, this is not a "how do I get over the plat hump" post. I just want to try new things and diversify my game play. I think I am in a nice place skill wise. Thank you very much for your help | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
For PvP I just want to go blink all-in. So far it's going very very very well but I get BO pwnt against early DTs (I know that it's normal). I was wondering if making a sentry before MSC would help me since I could scout with a fake pheonix or would this weaken my all-in too much? Anyway, PvP is fine. Blink is a solid opening, but you can't always go all in. A standard blink opening is something like this: 13 gate, 15 2x gas (at first 2 probes each, then saturate them completely after ~30 seconds), 17 pylon, 18 core, mothership core/stalker/warpgate when core finishes, then twilight council, blink, +2 gates and finally a robo. The robo might not be out in time to have an observer when quick DTs walk up your ramp, but you can still block the ramp with stalkers and warp in sentries to forcefield off the ramp. You can go sentry before the msc but it's not very popular I feel like. Usually you rely on your mothership core (which is risky if your opponent goes oracle) or on your first stalker. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
On January 13 2015 19:51 TedBurtle wrote: Can someone help me find vods or replays with PvT -> proxy one gate, then macro up / finish with BO win ..I think Classic did it, hero sometimes, maybe rain..but cant find. PLEASE! Look up Parting vs Marineking SSL Qualifiers. Map is daybreak. sOs vs Marineking Hot6ix cup Grand finals. Forgot map Rain vs Bomber RO4 IEM San Jose. Map king sejong. Bomber went cc first and gg'd immediately I cant link since im on mobile atm | ||
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