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Elderbury
United States10 Posts
I would argue that you cannot win most of the time with a single strategy, as you need to be able to adapt to whatever situation you encounter. But whatever strategy wins the game is the best strategy to use. Nothing else matters. Unless you're not having fun. In which case, the best strategy is the one you enjoy the most, regardless of whether you win. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On February 13 2013 01:16 GGHHGG wrote: In the way that you're exactly the same skill as a player, just with different builds. In the way that as soon as hots was to come out and those builds no longer work, you'd become bronze again and the real master player would still be masters because the builds don't matter. The 1 base player can just adapt another cheese. In fact, when HotS comes out, cheese would most likely become stronger, not weaker, at least, until the defence of such new builds are perfected. The macro player will most likely drop in rank during this time. I expect the same to happen all the way up to the GSL, to be perfectly honest. | ||
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Inimic
Canada153 Posts
As for all-ins: I think they're well-formed game models for you to follow with specific benchmarks with clear signs of progress and the chance to see exactly what you did right or wrong each game. Any replays or masters videos coming up? | ||
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NonameAI
127 Posts
Another thing that really pisses me off is that people hate cheesers. Cheesing is a strategy, just like any other, just faster. No matter how passive you play ur gonna build units and attack eventually. I really don't understand why cheese is recognized as bad, or why cheesers are ostracized for doing something the game allows them to, or even why its become so notorious that it has its own name. Is Hyun a noob/bad person for cheesing in KoTH? AreaKitty? Why have we established out own "rules"? Starcraft is a strategy game. Cheese is a strategy... | ||
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Emporium
England162 Posts
Personally I feel that having both early mid and lategame timings is the way to look at a strategy game. Especially an RTS like this, but, consider this, if you are in Bronze/Silver i suspect alot of people are playing casually,(who will also be the vast majority of the people who complain as its the biggest pool of players) will also want to no be in that league, so will attribute the reason they are, to the fact that it is notorious for being the low league where people cheese. Missing the fact, that with good scouting and macro when playing against people in bronze and silver, you should embrace the fact that they try and 'cheese' you, as you will win that much faster, and be able to play more games. Whenever i have played in Bronze, I can play as greedy as i want, as 99percent of the time, the builds will be so inefficient and the timings so late, it won't matter anyway. | ||
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Snoodles
401 Posts
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On February 16 2013 09:53 Elderbury wrote: All the arguments about whether it is better to use an all-in vs. a macro builds are totally missing the point. All that matters, in terms of boosting your MMR, is whether you win or lose. The strategy you used to win or lose is immaterial to the formula. The player who wins most of the time is the better player. By definition. I would argue that you cannot win most of the time with a single strategy, as you need to be able to adapt to whatever situation you encounter. But whatever strategy wins the game is the best strategy to use. Nothing else matters. Unless you're not having fun. In which case, the best strategy is the one you enjoy the most, regardless of whether you win. Ask Puma what he thinks about this... | ||
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Tritone
Japan76 Posts
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TheLunatic
309 Posts
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TheLunatic
309 Posts
Thats why puma got booted from eg lol | ||
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KingofGods
Canada1218 Posts
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
For someone trying to learn, this is a very good thing! You learn much more from playing people better than you than playing at your own level. Probably the best thing would be alternating 2 weeks or so of cheesing with 2 weeks or so of attempting solid macro play for maximum improvement speed. | ||
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TheSwagger
United States92 Posts
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PrideTV
Vietnam434 Posts
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MrSnugglykins
United States4 Posts
It seems like a lot of the opposition to this particular method is that a one base is a gimmick, but for me one base is just much easier to manage. I still lose a lot of time when I expand, so if I didn't expand and focused on SCV's until one base was saturated then completely shut my mind to that element of the game, I think it would be a good way for me to introduce other concepts like upgrades without having everything fall apart on me like it tends to when I just go out on my own without any learning method guiding me. Long story short, I think one base play sounds like a good way to explore certain aspects of the game. The rank that you gain from that kind of play doesn't seem all that important as long as you understand more of the concept that make Starcraft so overwhelmingly complicated for a new player. | ||
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Zrifts
2 Posts
I do like the idea of a series on how to allin and the thought process behind those builds. I feel that new players and skilled players need to learn both aspects of the game. Macro is an excellent way to learn the game, and I think it is far better to only learn macro than it would be to only learn rushes, but to be honest, a truly solid player should be able to play both styles. I hope someone can take the idea of this series and do something about it or that the OP can clean it up, since my problem with it is the implementation, not the idea. | ||
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xaeravoq
50 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
 I've posted in this thread that i would test the builds more and give a judgement on it how well they work.Today i played 5 games in silver league with just 16scv's --> 5rax --> pump marines and attack without scv's. I won all 5 matches and got promoted instantly... Now this ofcourse is a bit wierd as i see it, but it's not a lie. Apparantly, blizzard awards 1baseplays with more MMR then long term macro? I used to do "the filterSC" mostly, with which i didnt got promoted with to gold. And this to me is wierd because my macro was mostly spot on (50 scv's and 100 supply at ten minutes )... Wierd, but im not complaining. 2nd question : Could it be that in lower levels APM mostly determince if u get promoted? my apm over the whole game 50 above my average. Ths could explain why 1baseplays gets u promoted sooner? | ||
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Allenansgar
United States31 Posts
On March 20 2013 22:17 govie wrote: Apparantly, blizzard awards 1baseplays with more MMR then long term macro? I used to do "the filterSC" mostly, with which i didnt got promoted with to gold. And this to me is wierd because my macro was mostly spot on (50 scv's and 100 supply at ten minutes )... Or Blizzard changed the way league percentages work and you got promoted based on the change and the number of wins. Gratz on being promoted | ||
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Allenansgar
United States31 Posts
What I like about the series is he builds on Filter's series and gives a different perspective on playing the game more agressive. He also puts a little more emphasis on what micro is needed to win battles. Unfortunatly it appears we have lost him though. He hasn't updated his videos since January, so we will never know his secret of getting to Masters after diamond | ||
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