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[H] ZvP Pylon Block ramp and 1 cannon
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YouMake
United States262 Posts
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kiklion
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CivilAnarchy
United States59 Posts
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
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scur2d2
Canada104 Posts
On March 30 2012 04:58 CivilAnarchy wrote: If you're above Diamond and allow a pylon block to occur, it's easier to just leave the game after that, because you've basically lost anyway. There's a reason Pro-maps have that supply depot there to prevent those sort of things. lol .. no. Watch a stream once in a while. | ||
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TibblesEvilCat
United Kingdom766 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:08 Snute wrote: You need to learn the Drone Drill technique. You can check out the MilkyWay Drone Drill thread here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261179 | ||
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Grohg
United States243 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:20 Blazinghand wrote: You can check out the MilkyWay Drone Drill thread here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261179 I was under the impression that the drone drill didn't work anymore. Maybe someone was completely wrong...can anyone confirm this? I never tried to do it after I heard that, maybe I should look at it again. | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:08 Snute wrote: You need to learn the Drone Drill technique. This doesn't work on all maps, and all spawns on the maps that it does work on. I know for a fact that there is atleast one spot on shakuras that drone drill doesnt work with any of the minerals from your natural. You can click on the far away ones that do work at another natural if you have vision, but this is even harder to time, and usually toss will have cannon finished by then. | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:26 Grohg wrote: I was under the impression that the drone drill didn't work anymore. Maybe someone was completely wrong...can anyone confirm this? I never tried to do it after I heard that, maybe I should look at it again. Some maps it does, some it doesn't. Some spawns on some maps it does, some spawns on some maps it doesn't. | ||
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Janders
Mexico222 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:08 Snute wrote: You need to learn the Drone Drill technique. idk about that, drone drill dosent work on every maps and something protoss can just make another wall behind the pylon you are attacking | ||
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sjukungen1
Burkina Faso59 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:32 Galaxy_Zerg wrote: This doesn't work on all maps, and all spawns on the maps that it does work on. I know for a fact that there is atleast one spot on shakuras that drone drill doesnt work with any of the minerals from your natural. You can click on the far away ones that do work at another natural if you have vision, but this is even harder to time, and usually toss will have cannon finished by then. It does work on all maps if you do it correctly. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
Alternately, you can take your 3rd base as a natural and use a couple of roaches to break the contain, although I've found that this throws me off my rhythm and I usually respond to cheese with more cheese. | ||
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Siggeh
Norway71 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324283 check out this thread, Snute gave us a nice guide showing how it's done. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
E: Drone drill is good, but you lose much more than protoss... if you put 1 drone on a probe and have OL watching nat its the best way and minimal eco loss. | ||
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Lobber
Canada414 Posts
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:19 Lobber wrote: Just FYI drone drilling is auto win for protoss if they just build more pylons/gates behind the targeted pylon while the cannon finishes. No, the drones are too strong together with reinforcing lings from the main, at the very worst you should lose about 2 or 3 drones. It's all about reaction time and execution from the zerg | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:28 Snute wrote: No, the drones are too strong together with reinforcing lings from the main, at the very worst you should lose about 2 or 3 drones. It's all about reaction time and execution from the zerg I think you guys need to play a game to see what's up. I'm pretty sure Lobber is right here, even if you drone drill through a pylon, you'll be faced with a constructing Gateway next, and if there is more than one Cannon going down, you're in a lot of trouble. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:19 Lobber wrote: Just FYI drone drilling is auto win for protoss if they just build more pylons/gates behind the targeted pylon while the cannon finishes. Lobber is right, I just cannon rushed like 6 Zerg's in a row and they all tried to drone drill the pylon, and I just built more cannons / pylons to block it again then cannon finished and they left the game. -.-;; .... Poor Zerg's T_T | ||
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Liquid`Snute
Norway839 Posts
It's not even well executed, if executed perfectly you shouldn't have any issues at all, and trust me, even gateways go down super quickly if drilled properly. Sure, some walls are more difficult to break than others, but as long as you can drill you will always have a free path. By the time the protoss accumulates enough resources to create a threatening wall, you will also have a higher drone count and a spawning pool ready to defend with. Of course it all depends on the map and the wall type, but I think it's only a matter of practice, targeting and rhythm. All zergs should learn drone drilling with remote camera because it's not only about the pylon block, it's also a needed skill against double bunker contains. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:13 Snute wrote: I don't have that many replays to show for now but heres one: http://drop.sc/147937 It's not even well executed, if executed perfectly you shouldn't have any issues at all, and trust me, even gateways go down super quickly if drilled properly. Sure, some walls are more difficult to break than others, but as long as you can drill you will always have a free path. By the time the protoss accumulates enough resources to create a threatening wall, you will also have a higher drone count and a spawning pool ready to defend with. Of course it all depends on the map and the wall type, but I think it's only a matter of practice, targeting and rhythm. All zergs should learn drone drilling with remote camera because it's not only about the pylon block, it's also a needed skill against double bunker contains. I would just like to argue that the protoss executed equally poorly. You broke out, but he couldve easily cancelled 2 pylons and pylon walled the cannon in (which he nearly did) or just cancelled the 2 pylons and come out ahead as he drops his nexus. I mean, you are investing nearly a full minute into stopping it with all but one of your drones, while he is still mining away. Under his best case scenario (cancelling 2 pylons) he spends 150 minerals and you spend 500 or more in lost mining time. He comes out way ahead by just forcing you to drone drill. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
There's a reason every tournament has neutral depots nowadays. It's literally an autoloss. Drone drilling does not work on most maps. On the very, very few maps it does, it only works if you use the mineral patches of some far off obscure base and use the inefficient shift method so you don't have to watch the drones. It also doesn't work on many spawn positions, even on maps that you can drone drill on - like shakuras plateau bottom right, you can't drone drill. Furthermore, a good toss will see you drone drilling, and just add 2 pylons or a gateway to block you. They lose 150-200 minerals, you lose 100% mining time for much more than 50 seconds, meaning you lose a lot more money while Toss is fully mining that whole time, not to mention the problems with toss having equal bases against a 1 base zerg, and higher worker count. It's worth drone drilling if someone blocks you, some toss will be genuinely surprised and let you have the win because they are shocked at you doing that and they are too dumb to know what it is or how to counter it, or some will just not watch or are stupid and don't reinforce. But really, you should just leave the game. Hence, why you should never let it happen in the first place. Have a drone on patrol at the ramp, always. If you are good, micro 2 drones against the scouting probe, but until you reach that level (which is masters-ish micro imo), just patrol drone at 16 supply at ramp. It does work on all maps if you do it correctly. It does not... Maybe you are referring to the idea that somewhere, on every map, you can find SOME mineral patch to do it on, even if that may not be at the natural, but the patch you are using has to be oriented a certain way. Certain maps don't have any mineral patches in that orientation towards the ramp. if you see 9th probe always have a drone on her to prevent harass/hatch block/pylon wallin. This should be a rule... The 'rule' should be that you need a drone following the probe, and a drone blocking the ramp, leaving the mineral line at 16 supply, arriving at ramp by 17. You don't need to pull a drone any earlier than that (supply assumes gasless pool first build, just minus 1 for any gas or hatch made really). | ||
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gylka
Ukraine50 Posts
On March 30 2012 11:13 Snute wrote: All zergs should learn drone drilling with remote camera because it's not only about the pylon block, it's also a needed skill against double bunker contains. Snute, what you mean by drone drilling with remote camera? What you mean by remote camera? I know only technique when clicking on minerals-ppylon when they're on same screen... | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
1. Toss reinforces, wins - even if you break out, toss comes out ahead due to zero mining on zergs part, and nonstop production to toss. 2. You can't drone drill against Terran. They can repair, and by the time they do a ramp block with 2 bunkers at 17 supply, they will have marines there. Drone drilling does not work when marines are there shooting at your drones, with repairing SCVs. Even without repairing SCVs, terran just cancels the bunkers when they are almost dead, you lost way more than 25+25 minerals in mining time, not to mention dead drones. I have never seen drone drilling work against a Toss who successfully knows cancel micro and cannon rushing and reinforces the ramp block, or a terran of any level. And even if drone drilling was an amazing solution, it still doesnt change the fact that you are just better off patrolling a drone or not play on shitty LE maps. Blizz spends all their time trying to make new maps, but the real problem is just the spawns, exploits on certain maps (tanks hitting your main from T third, close spawn on entombed), and lack of depots. It's a map problem. Until then, accept the ~50 minerals lost. Maybe you can come out okay if you micro the 2 workers to kill the scouting probe/scv. | ||
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