EPT[G] Stephano-Style ZvP – The 12 Minute Max-Out - Page 13
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ASTARA.VOJ
New Zealand49 Posts
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
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Excludos
Norway7942 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:40 Man with a Plan wrote: This is very situational imo and will be easily countered once people gets the right reaction to it. I hope you're not talking about the build in general. Every zerg and their mother does this build now, and every protoss knows its coming. Yet no one seems to be able to figure out a propper way to deal with it with the exception of somekind of unscouted allin. This build will never be "easily" countered in the current metagame, mappool and patch. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 23 2012 15:30 Excludos wrote: I hope you're not talking about the build in general. Every zerg and their mother does this build now, and every protoss knows its coming. Yet no one seems to be able to figure out a propper way to deal with it with the exception of somekind of unscouted allin. This build will never be "easily" countered in the current metagame, mappool and patch. unless protoss stops doing FFE, right? | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On April 23 2012 12:40 Man with a Plan wrote: This is very situational imo and will be easily countered once people gets the right reaction to it. hah, Stephano done this for 6 months pretty much every zerg in the world are copying it. From Nestea to Idra. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
Well, that obviously doesn't easily counter this build, since you won't do this build if the toss doesn't FFE, since the toss is already giving up his strong economy. | ||
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
Then they lose anyway? | ||
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Deleted User 81929
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 22 2012 07:40 usNEUX wrote: @TangSC, How does one get that extra minute?! Is it just immaculate drone micro (close patches first, distribution at each expo, etc.)? Edit your guide down to 11 minutes please so I can own toss harder on the ladder :p I will be doing an updated Part-2 of the Stephano-style, a more in-depth look for those experienced with the 12min maxout who want to shave off some time and maxout earlier. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On April 23 2012 15:30 Excludos wrote: I hope you're not talking about the build in general. Every zerg and their mother does this build now, and every protoss knows its coming. Yet no one seems to be able to figure out a propper way to deal with it with the exception of somekind of unscouted allin. This build will never be "easily" countered in the current metagame, mappool and patch. Korean Protosses seem to be dealing with it absolutely fine, considering Korean Zergs only seem to use this build vs foreigners. The build of course kills any Protoss who failed DT rushes or something like that. | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On April 24 2012 03:03 dTox wrote: No, it means they need to play differently instead of going FFE, sitting in their base for 10 minutes and attacking with a load of shit. This always happens. Protoss is always behind in the meta-game, but instead of working to fix problems, they whine until blizzard fixes it for them. That comment is a troll magnet. Instead of responding directly, I'll just say that the phenomenon of complaining about perceived imbalance is not limited to Protoss players. Sometimes people's complaints turn out to be right, sometimes they're wrong. Take a look back at how informed opinions can change over time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189923 | ||
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LazinCajun
United States294 Posts
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
Same as every shift in the metagame from fast dual upgrades terran (ling infestor becomes popular) to infestor/brood zerg lategame (ghosts become really useful before nerf, I'd argue they're still good). People figure things out, stop this whole "this build is imba" thing. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 23 2012 15:30 Excludos wrote: I hope you're not talking about the build in general. Every zerg and their mother does this build now, and every protoss knows its coming. Yet no one seems to be able to figure out a propper way to deal with it with the exception of somekind of unscouted allin. This build will never be "easily" countered in the current metagame, mappool and patch. Uh in general protoss players hold it very well now of days. White ra showed this vs Stephano in IPL as well. Protoss players already have figured it out (will pro's no idea about non pros or anything) | ||
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Excludos
Norway7942 Posts
On April 24 2012 05:38 blade55555 wrote: Uh in general protoss players hold it very well now of days. White ra showed this vs Stephano in IPL as well. Protoss players already have figured it out (will pro's no idea about non pros or anything) How many games did he win again..? | ||
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SKGZombie
United States42 Posts
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Excludos
Norway7942 Posts
On April 24 2012 08:25 SKGZombie wrote: So what's the proper response to a +1 zelot 4 gate after ffe when using this build? Scout it and throw down the roach warren a bit earlier. If you have a decent amount of roaches out in time for the zealots, they will get absolutely crushed. You can also hold it with lings, but thats a situation you don't want to end up in, as its not cost effective. | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
On April 24 2012 22:10 Excludos wrote: Scout it and throw down the roach warren a bit earlier. If you have a decent amount of roaches out in time for the zealots, they will get absolutely crushed. You can also hold it with lings, but thats a situation you don't want to end up in, as its not cost effective. Yeah, if you happen to scout chrono-boosted cyber core, it is advisable to get the warren around 6:30 OR produce a handful of slow lings. Usually players will move out with some Zealots to get map control and put a pylon down closer, if you can shut the probe/zealots down with slows lings you could stop the 4gate from hitting your expansion before a 7min warren comes into play (DRG does this). The easier/safer response is just to build the warren slightly earlier and save 3 larva at your 3rd so you can start 3 roaches there right away. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
Not relevant, his losses were not caused by this build, he gained a significant lead in the midgame against it regardless of what happened in the late game. | ||
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