@Lyyna
I realized you almost always use Yamato Cannon very late during battles.. Is this on purpose? I'd say Yamato Cannon should be priority 1-2 maybe after PDD/EMP or sieging tanks.

Lyyna

France776 Posts

April 01 2012 17:35 GMT

#347

@Mongolbonjwa : there is the dates of the replays in the name of each pack

@Everlong : Well , basically
-Siege tank has to be done first for obvious reasons
-If you EMP too late, it becomes useless as it'll remove no shield at all. Also, EMP carriers before yamato allows to OS them
-If you PDD too late, you loose a lots of units before PDD can protect these
So finally Yamato must be used after these 3 things at least

Hider

Denmark9407 Posts

April 01 2012 17:42 GMT

#348

On April 01 2012 21:48 Lyyna wrote:
@Hider : to beat 4/6 carriers, you would need like 12 vikings at least,and that would still be close. And you'll end up in the same situation as bio vs colossus : lots of vikings in the air, useless versus his ground force. BC destroy carriers AND everything on the ground

I see your point, and I completely agree that if we know he is going carriers BC is a much much better option than banshees.

However lets assume (for the sake of the discussion) that there would be possiblity of him going carriers (or VR's) would you then prefer banshees over BC's? Or do you still find yamato against archons/collosus too valuable?

Anyway (not related to the above assumption) I am still interest in testing getting 5+ banshees and delaying BC's till I actually scout that he is getting stargates up (maybe I would build a blind fusion core so I could react quicker). Obv. constant scanning becoems extremely important with this kind of play as I need to produce BC's as a response to carriers rather than a blind counter. I feel like (if I get good at this) that this has a lot of potentital. I mean how do you respond to hellion + banshee harass in the later stages of midgame/late game?

The protoss player would need to have a few observers with obs speed + a pretty good blink stalker control to deal with the potentital harass.

But obv. having a lot of blink stalkers (like 20+) makes his army much worsein a straight up fight against tank/pdd/thors.

Mongolbonjwa

Finland376 Posts

April 01 2012 18:03 GMT

#349

Lyyna you did not do 1rax expand in one replay i watched

also question:

does this mech build work without any harass? what should i do if protos goes blink stalker obs haras? he is more mobile than me he always runs away

Mongolbonjwa

Finland376 Posts

April 01 2012 19:25 GMT

#350

Lyyna or someone else mech expert, could you review my macro with this build? I played alone in shattered temple, because my goal was just to macro atleast decently.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=03560763398941447578

Chaggi

Korea (South)1936 Posts

April 02 2012 09:22 GMT

#351

I've been playing around with this style, and I'm not too sure if I'm winning cause this style is good, or if no one's seen this style before and has no idea what the hell to do.

Whatever it is... I'm winning more now!

Lyyna

France776 Posts

April 02 2012 11:39 GMT

#352

@Hider : one of the main reason i do prefer BC is that they're good versus everything and allows you to handle dangerous late game tech switch

Hm, the problem with that would be hidden stargates. I personnally dont have the multitask to harass efficiently lategane, but for a fast enough player it could be a good idea

@Mongolbonwa : Well, except the banshee harass which is really light , i dont harass at all
IIf he blinks + obs harass, a good thing is to use a turret ring + a thor at your base edge, to snipe the obs from really far

ah also, ill stream today, Tuesday and Friday (7pm to 9pm CEST) on http://www.dailymotion.com/FUREURTV#video=xpoktr

Hider

Denmark9407 Posts

April 02 2012 16:30 GMT

#353

Hmm I meant to write the following:

However lets assume (for the sake of the discussion) that there would be no possiblity of him going carriers (or VR's) would you then prefer banshees over BC's? Or do you still find yamato against archons/collosus too valuable?

But I interpret your comments as that you agree with me that banshees (given that assumption) would be superior.

BC's are probably the "easy" solution in the sense that you have a stronger allround army, but as you (indirectly) state your self, heavy banshee play probably has more potential.

Lyyna

France776 Posts

April 02 2012 16:34 GMT

#354

Superior, i'm not sure, mass banshee would be terribly vulnerable in a direct fight (and i aim to win direct fights). But in the hands of a fast player able to multi-harass they would be deadly i guess

also, stream in 30 minutes

Lyyna

France776 Posts

April 02 2012 17:03 GMT

#355

Little up to say that im streaming on http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpoktr_fureurtv-sc2-live_videogames .
You can go on #FureurTV (with http://webchat.quakenet.org/ for example) for feedback,questions,etc

Everlong

Czech Republic1973 Posts

April 02 2012 17:19 GMT

#356

Such a nice and relaxed guy, what a cool stream indeed.. Only a bit better quality would be great, its still ok tho.. :-)

Norseman

United States223 Posts

April 02 2012 17:25 GMT

#357

Awww man... that link keeps giving me all kinds of errors. How come you don't use the Twitch one anymore? That I could see. :-/

fatguyallen

Romania75 Posts

April 02 2012 17:45 GMT

#358

I've tried this build but it's not working for me. I reach the stage of the game where me and toss have half the map, we both are 200/200 but i guess missing ravens is really hurting me ? What is the perfect comp for the first 200/200 army before the first engagement ? If i win that engagement with half my units left should i press on and risk getting killed by fast warp ins ? Should i stay and defend get another base maybe but be vulnerable to tech switches maybe ?

Mongolbonjwa

Finland376 Posts

April 02 2012 17:47 GMT

#359

What is proper unit composition against colossus, zealots, some stalkers, and many void rays?

Taefox

1533 Posts

April 02 2012 18:05 GMT

#360

thanks lyyna for streaming
really enjoy