PvZ Sim City - Page 2

On December 11 2011 05:37 kcdc wrote:
This guide is woefully incomplete without an explanation of how to cancel your wall at the last minute and carrier rush.

On December 11 2011 02:07 ZeromuS wrote:


I really dislike forge FE on Xel naga though to be fair. The second cannon covers the mineral line from ling run bys but not the second gas. Furthermore it provides no extra protection against roaches as they are ranged units. This kind of cannon placement was awesome in BW when all you had to worry about ultra early on was lings but we need to worry about roaches in sc2 as well. This makes FFE on wide natural maps very very hard. I know the pros try to do it and like to do it but they do it for the economic edge and corner cutting they need to really eek out any advantage they can.

On December 11 2011 00:16 CaptainHaz wrote:

Would like to ask you to re-read this:

I agree that I haven't covered forge expand adequately and will expand more on it today. However, it makes little sense to explain every possible layout on every map since that doesn't really provide a good foundation. I will give a few examples of how to properly lay out your expansion, but ideally after reading this players should be able to kind of construct that after just looking at the natural. I just used metalopolis in this example because it just seemed like a good map to demonstrate wall offs on.

The cannon could be moved back further as well if desired, but keeping it forward is better imo.

On December 16 2011 21:56 Danglars wrote:

It's hard to go forward with "This is the most optimal building placement" in a thread where you seek to confine yourself to a minor role. You provide very little disclaimer as you go on to describe your most optimal building placement for Metalopolis in this position. Okay okay, that's fine, I'll concede that for sake of argument. You give an example, claim it's the most optimal, but don't go into why it is, or even hint that its most optimal in that spawn location but needs to be reworked in others. If this were indeed a mini guide on simcity, you would go into some of the questions that arise in your only-provided-example on Metalopolis. Must I restate this to clarify my point? I did read your quoted disclaimer, however, it is regrettably insufficient for any newcomer to this forum. I will separate these, hoping you will see my point.

Why would I consider moving the first cannon back? You invite the reader in, but never state why someone would desire this, or why you decided having it forward is the better idea. Cmon, now.
Why the second cannon? You put a big fat arrow to it on a picture, yet never introduce why it exists. Heck, I know it is to protect against harass on your mineral line, and even more defense of the Nexus and ramp. Would a newcomer, that appreciates your newcomer-friendly approach realize this? No, he/she is expected to take it on jpeg-faith, not even a word of description at all. This is to improve your mini-guide, not to insult you. To point out a lack of description of even your mini-example.
Would my walloff look like this on other maps? I must refer to my previous point to illustrate why this is a question deserving an answer in the thread. You photoshop explicitly that you want a second cannon in your example optimal FFE on Metalopolis. Yet, you do not give its reasoning for existence. How is the casual reader to skim through a common gate-core walloff to the FFE and discern the key tenets of FFE, if you pronounce no reasoning? Maybe Shakuras and Taldarim look very difference in respects to that second cannon (they do, and the reasons for adding it on these maps are worthy of consideration). Oh well, I hope you know I want your guide to be more newbie-friendly than you have made it, and think it a worthy contribution to deserve added improvement. Thanks.

On December 16 2011 22:18 HaruRH wrote:


I believe it is not his duty to tell newbies on the reason to build a second cannon. He simply shows a picture of where to place the second cannon. His duty in this thread is to teach new players on how to sim city optimally. The second cannon can be explained by the thread on 'Forge FFE'.

Also, are you expecting him to tell you how to wall off in every single map? He only pulled a map out of the box and proceeded to show examples of how to place buildings. hug them on the walls, make 1 hex overlay etc. this is self-explanatory. After being shown on how to strategically build LEGO pieces, do you expect the instructor to show even more examples of that technique over and over again? No. It is a guide.