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On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:
replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.
You guy should get a stream going and show these games with a caster. That would be the greatest show ever, you could call it WIN OR DIE, or something like that. And like a sound animation that goes BANED! in some deep voice.
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big ole saracen laying down the law
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This sounds like the perfect time to post that "[H] keep getting rushed in 2v2s :[" that I've been working on 
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Hyrule18967 Posts
On April 09 2011 01:31 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Another solution, would be to port the good posts to Liquipedia, instead of a separate High Quality Strat Forum since Liquipedia has the advantage of being more clean to read than a forum.
But it probably implies quite a lot of work for the guide authors :/
A sort of standardized guide structure that would allow to convert them "automatically" into liquipedia articles would be great. Liquipedia staff is always available to help out anyone who needs it. A lot of the work staff does is fixing up pages rather than adding new content. Occasionally we kill the server, but most of the time it gets better.
Most of the good builds are already in Liquipedia. If you find one that isn't there, add it. Anyone can do it! One of our editors will come along and help you out.
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oh dear god, thank you, Saracen, i love you
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Man i am so happy to see this purge coming, i have tried to venture into this strategy forum a few times in the past weeks, but it has been hard to find correct information. I hope that we will begin to see a new age in this forum where people can get stuff done!!
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Here is a breakdown of the problem.
Thread Representation:
OP Post 1 Post 2 Post 3 Post 4... Post K ... Post M
Thread Y G B G B B G
M is the average number of threads per Thread.
Each thread is a sequence. The first character is:
Y = Follows Guide Lines
or
N = Not Follows Guide Line
For the rest of the characters
B = Bad Post
G = Good Post
So the above thread can be summarized as being sequence:
Thread = YGBGB...B...G
To do a total modding of N thread, you would have to look at N*M+1 criteria. This is infeasible unless you have rich build you a Mod-Bot.
So the current scheme seems to be:
Let F1(X) = be a function that counts G's in the sequence
Let F2e(X) = be a function that counts B's in the sequence
1) Sample the OP the K to M posts where K is the first post on the last page.
2a) If OP = Y or OP = N but F1(K to M) > F2(K to M) then the thread usually not destroyed
2b) If OP = Y or OP = N but F1(K to M) < F2(K to M) then the thread usually is closed and all checked B posters are warned/banned.
2c) If OP = N and the thread length is short, then close.
3) If thread is reported, check the post and warned/banned the author if post = B.
I've seen many posts with poor OPs but the content of the subsequent posts being not terrible allows them to live. This then leads others to post poor topics as well because forum guidelines are not being enforced. But the problem is you are checking a ton of posts in every thread ever on a semi-regular basis.
My scheme would be more strict:
Gameplay:
1)If OP = N, tell user to remake according to guidelines and close topic unconditionally.
2)If OP = Y, let it live.
3)Evaluate OP, if it is very good, move to other forum.
4)If a post is reported check it, and take action against user or possible close the thread if there are a lot of B's.
Strategy and Discussion:
1) Sample K to M posts where K is the first post on the last page.
2) For each B post, ban/warn the user.
3) If a post is reported check it, and take action against user
So you are only doing major post checks in a small subset of the total amount of threads, thereby reducing workload for moderators. You also enforce the posting guidelines better with the initial OP checks.
Or that's how I think about it atleast. 
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In his original purge thread Zatic made a point about discouraging people from making posts that read like a 14-year-old girl's texts. Perhaps he was being rhetorical but this is an excellent point that should be followed through on. Organized writing is a sign of clear thinking and sound logic. The reverse is true (i.e., disorganized writing is usually a sign that the author hasn't thought through their point). Not every post should be a treatise but a post that lacks basic sentence structure and doesn't use the word "because" a few times is usually not helpful, in my opinion (I read this forum 3 times per day probably, and rarely post).
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As a follower of teamliquid since the beta, I beleive this is most definitely a move in the right direction. I have personally refrained from posting threads because i know that the level of intelligence and knowledge in this community is extremely high. I think new followers should have a period of a little while in which they should just read and learn instead of being mindless.
I will stress one thing however. My first impression of this thread was that it was very elitist and indirectly exclusive to those of masters. As a gold player i thought this sad at first. In reality the post is actually not of this nature(atleast i hope not). It is a very good mechanism to keep things clear and concise and not have any gray area for complaining for getting the banhammer. I encourage people to participate if they have well thought out and analyzed statements.
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Awesome news! I used to scour the strategy forum every day months ago but now I barely glance at it. Hopefully this brings about a new era of the strat forum. Great initiative Saracen
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List what all the symbols mean in the main post so new comers know what they mean? I've been here a while and I'm not entirely sure what they directly translate into to.
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Saracen is on FIRE. If you take a step back from the screen and look at all the red glowing, saying "BANNED". It makes my heart warm, I dunno.
Let's hope this makes the strategy forum a better place. Thanks to the admins, they're just as pissed as most of us are, but they're the ones obligated to take out the trash. My props!
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I'm actually really glad to see this! I've refrained from participating too much in the strategy forums because of how cluttered it's been. I haven't posted in it that much and really haven't read it at all recently. Hopefully with some of the extraneous stuff leaving I'll be able to get more useful information out of it in the limited time I have to look through it. I probably won't be posting in it at all any more though since there are so many more qualified members in the community to do so. :D
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED. <-- hahahaha I loved this one XD
More on topic:
Right about time, if you wanna talk bullshit do so somewhere else but not in the strategy forum.
(I fail at quoting it seems, whatever.)
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Saracen, you'll need more people to help ban all the posters.
No really, I've been checking the stratforum since Zatic's purge post. It's eery how much work you have before you.
GLHF!
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Thats ALOT of Red in the OP now I am scared of ever posting in the Strategy Section at all.
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I'm scared to even think in posting on the start forum.
Good thing I've always been more of a lurker, as long as you guys don't get Science Vessels I think I will be fine
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Another reason not to have a "gameplay" forum with threads moved to strategy based on merit:
The OP, having put time and effort into a stratworthy post, is rather at the mercy of other contributors who, without violating the "gameplay" forum rules, could drag the thread down. Then what? Migrate the OP only, and lose the discussion? Manually filter the thread somehow? It's a recipe for mediocre threads with "Masters only reply plox" in the OP and endless flaming debate over whether it stands a chance anyway. Yuck.
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If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.
Boy, oh, boy are you going to be busy. May I suggest a corollary where the replays from these games be added to the thread which forced them? :D
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