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savagebeavers
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada108 Posts
April 08 2011 16:41 GMT
#141
On April 08 2011 11:11 Saracen wrote:
replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.

You guy should get a stream going and show these games with a caster. That would be the greatest show ever, you could call it WIN OR DIE, or something like that. And like a sound animation that goes BANED! in some deep voice.
Tanman
Profile Joined January 2011
23 Posts
April 08 2011 16:43 GMT
#142
big ole saracen laying down the law
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
April 08 2011 16:44 GMT
#143
This sounds like the perfect time to post that "[H] keep getting rushed in 2v2s :[" that I've been working on
5sz6sz7sz1a2a3a4a kwanrollllllled
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19223 Posts
April 08 2011 16:46 GMT
#144
On April 09 2011 01:31 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Another solution, would be to port the good posts to Liquipedia, instead of a separate High Quality Strat Forum since Liquipedia has the advantage of being more clean to read than a forum.
But it probably implies quite a lot of work for the guide authors :/

A sort of standardized guide structure that would allow to convert them "automatically" into liquipedia articles would be great.
Liquipedia staff is always available to help out anyone who needs it. A lot of the work staff does is fixing up pages rather than adding new content. Occasionally we kill the server, but most of the time it gets better.

Most of the good builds are already in Liquipedia. If you find one that isn't there, add it. Anyone can do it! One of our editors will come along and help you out.
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 08 2011 16:49 GMT
#145
oh dear god, thank you, Saracen, i love you
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
April 08 2011 16:51 GMT
#146
Man i am so happy to see this purge coming, i have tried to venture into this strategy forum a few times in the past weeks, but it has been hard to find correct information. I hope that we will begin to see a new age in this forum where people can get stuff done!!
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
April 08 2011 16:56 GMT
#147
Here is a breakdown of the problem.

Thread Representation:

OP Post 1 Post 2 Post 3 Post 4... Post K ... Post M
Thread Y G B G B B G

M is the average number of threads per Thread.

Each thread is a sequence. The first character is:
Y = Follows Guide Lines
or
N = Not Follows Guide Line

For the rest of the characters
B = Bad Post
G = Good Post

So the above thread can be summarized as being sequence:
Thread = YGBGB...B...G


To do a total modding of N thread, you would have to look at N*M+1 criteria. This is infeasible unless you have rich build you a Mod-Bot.

So the current scheme seems to be:

Let F1(X) = be a function that counts G's in the sequence
Let F2e(X) = be a function that counts B's in the sequence

1) Sample the OP the K to M posts where K is the first post on the last page.
2a) If OP = Y or OP = N but F1(K to M) > F2(K to M) then the thread usually not destroyed
2b) If OP = Y or OP = N but F1(K to M) < F2(K to M) then the thread usually is closed and all checked B posters are warned/banned.
2c) If OP = N and the thread length is short, then close.
3) If thread is reported, check the post and warned/banned the author if post = B.


I've seen many posts with poor OPs but the content of the subsequent posts being not terrible allows them to live. This then leads others to post poor topics as well because forum guidelines are not being enforced. But the problem is you are checking a ton of posts in every thread ever on a semi-regular basis.

My scheme would be more strict:

Gameplay:
1)If OP = N, tell user to remake according to guidelines and close topic unconditionally.
2)If OP = Y, let it live.
3)Evaluate OP, if it is very good, move to other forum.
4)If a post is reported check it, and take action against user or possible close the thread if there are a lot of B's.

Strategy and Discussion:
1) Sample K to M posts where K is the first post on the last page.
2) For each B post, ban/warn the user.
3) If a post is reported check it, and take action against user


So you are only doing major post checks in a small subset of the total amount of threads, thereby reducing workload for moderators. You also enforce the posting guidelines better with the initial OP checks.

Or that's how I think about it atleast.
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sick_transit
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States195 Posts
April 08 2011 17:24 GMT
#148
In his original purge thread Zatic made a point about discouraging people from making posts that read like a 14-year-old girl's texts. Perhaps he was being rhetorical but this is an excellent point that should be followed through on. Organized writing is a sign of clear thinking and sound logic. The reverse is true (i.e., disorganized writing is usually a sign that the author hasn't thought through their point). Not every post should be a treatise but a post that lacks basic sentence structure and doesn't use the word "because" a few times is usually not helpful, in my opinion (I read this forum 3 times per day probably, and rarely post).
War is a drug.
AngelusDeLetum
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 17:28:22
April 08 2011 17:25 GMT
#149
As a follower of teamliquid since the beta, I beleive this is most definitely a move in the right direction. I have personally refrained from posting threads because i know that the level of intelligence and knowledge in this community is extremely high. I think new followers should have a period of a little while in which they should just read and learn instead of being mindless.

I will stress one thing however. My first impression of this thread was that it was very elitist and indirectly exclusive to those of masters. As a gold player i thought this sad at first. In reality the post is actually not of this nature(atleast i hope not). It is a very good mechanism to keep things clear and concise and not have any gray area for complaining for getting the banhammer. I encourage people to participate if they have well thought out and analyzed statements.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 08 2011 17:44 GMT
#150
Awesome news! I used to scour the strategy forum every day months ago but now I barely glance at it. Hopefully this brings about a new era of the strat forum. Great initiative Saracen
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 08 2011 17:55 GMT
#151
List what all the symbols mean in the main post so new comers know what they mean? I've been here a while and I'm not entirely sure what they directly translate into to.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
theBullFrog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States515 Posts
April 08 2011 18:01 GMT
#152
Thank you.
thebullfrog
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
April 08 2011 18:04 GMT
#153
Saracen is on FIRE. If you take a step back from the screen and look at all the red glowing, saying "BANNED". It makes my heart warm, I dunno.

Let's hope this makes the strategy forum a better place. Thanks to the admins, they're just as pissed as most of us are, but they're the ones obligated to take out the trash. My props!
Always smile~
Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
April 08 2011 18:08 GMT
#154
I'm actually really glad to see this! I've refrained from participating too much in the strategy forums because of how cluttered it's been. I haven't posted in it that much and really haven't read it at all recently. Hopefully with some of the extraneous stuff leaving I'll be able to get more useful information out of it in the limited time I have to look through it. I probably won't be posting in it at all any more though since there are so many more qualified members in the community to do so. :D
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iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 18:08:58
April 08 2011 18:08 GMT
#155
If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED. <-- hahahaha I loved this one XD
More on topic:
Right about time, if you wanna talk bullshit do so somewhere else but not in the strategy forum.

(I fail at quoting it seems, whatever.)
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
April 08 2011 18:13 GMT
#156
Saracen, you'll need more people to help ban all the posters.

No really, I've been checking the stratforum since Zatic's purge post. It's eery how much work you have before you.

GLHF!
LoCaD
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1634 Posts
April 08 2011 18:14 GMT
#157
Thats ALOT of Red in the OP now I am scared of ever posting in the Strategy Section at all.
I give up, I just don't know what to write here.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
April 08 2011 18:26 GMT
#158
I'm scared to even think in posting on the start forum.

Good thing I've always been more of a lurker, as long as you guys don't get Science Vessels I think I will be fine
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
April 08 2011 20:13 GMT
#159
Another reason not to have a "gameplay" forum with threads moved to strategy based on merit:

The OP, having put time and effort into a stratworthy post, is rather at the mercy of other contributors who, without violating the "gameplay" forum rules, could drag the thread down. Then what? Migrate the OP only, and lose the discussion? Manually filter the thread somehow? It's a recipe for mediocre threads with "Masters only reply plox" in the OP and endless flaming debate over whether it stands a chance anyway. Yuck.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Trobot
Profile Joined August 2010
United States125 Posts
April 08 2011 21:06 GMT
#160
If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.


Boy, oh, boy are you going to be busy. May I suggest a corollary where the replays from these games be added to the thread which forced them? :D
Beware, for I shall correct your grammar even as I read it.
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