• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:29
CEST 16:29
KST 23:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy0GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding0Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2)
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. ASL21 General Discussion Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen [BSL22] RO32 Group Stage Gypsy to Korea
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group E
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Loot Boxes—Emotions, And Why…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1343 users

[G] WoL Openings/Timings - Page 8

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 12 Next All
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
August 01 2011 12:54 GMT
#141
OP has been updated with the Marine/Raven/Banshee/Tank timing push vs. P.
Administrator
CodeskyE
Profile Joined January 2011
United States777 Posts
August 01 2011 12:57 GMT
#142
is it possible that you can make a PDF version of this? thank you.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
August 02 2011 13:55 GMT
#143
On August 01 2011 21:57 Codeskye wrote:
is it possible that you can make a PDF version of this? thank you.

Done.
Administrator
DeLoReAn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
August 02 2011 17:51 GMT
#144
this
is
awesome

thanks!
Dota2 is my escape.
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
August 02 2011 17:55 GMT
#145
Very cool figuring out all those timings. I will def have a look @ this. thanks brah!
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
August 02 2011 17:59 GMT
#146
Great tool. Thanks.
Kommissar
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia48 Posts
August 03 2011 07:57 GMT
#147
Thanks so much, I'm commentating on youtube and this is a big help for that, and for my ladder too
www.youtube.com/user/c0mmissar1
jnkw
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada347 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 08:04:23
August 03 2011 08:03 GMT
#148
Looks good -- only thing is, has the 4gate section been updated for the latest patch?
zorion
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden72 Posts
August 03 2011 08:19 GMT
#149
Thanks alot for the .PDF
Very good job indeed =D
have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?
Wawarox
Profile Joined July 2011
161 Posts
August 03 2011 10:13 GMT
#150
thanks op for this amazing thread
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 10:27:14
August 03 2011 10:24 GMT
#151
«• The average Infestation Pit completes at ~15:00.»
Regarding the current metagame, I'm not that sure of this assertion :/ I tend to have BLs on 4 bases by the 15:00 mark now.

I think having the 2 bases roach speedling all in done quite a lot in ZvZ and PvZ in the timings would also help !

Thank you very much for all the hard work !
The legend of Darien lives on
ticktack
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates874 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 13:58:07
August 03 2011 13:29 GMT
#152
Adding gas first timings will be really good too( for terran ). Since they have been getting more popular lately

A winner is just a loser who got pissed off and tried harder
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-03 13:58:05
August 03 2011 13:56 GMT
#153
On August 03 2011 17:03 jnkw wrote:
Looks good -- only thing is, has the 4gate section been updated for the latest patch?

Yep. It only changed ~3 seconds. The major change is that you will scout it if he's going 4 gate. If you chronoboost your stalker, the timing is delayed 10 sec.

On August 03 2011 19:24 mr_tolkien wrote:
«• The average Infestation Pit completes at ~15:00.»
Regarding the current metagame, I'm not that sure of this assertion :/ I tend to have BLs on 4 bases by the 15:00 mark now.

I think having the 2 bases roach speedling all in done quite a lot in ZvZ and PvZ in the timings would also help !

Thank you very much for all the hard work !

I know the PvZ timing, but not the ZvZ...oh wait, do you mean This?. Also yea, with the usage to infestors going wayy up recently I would imagine that this timing has changed a bit. I still need to weed through MLG Columbus and add those timings in, or scrap the old ones if they're very different. Thanks for keeping me up to date.

On August 03 2011 22:29 ticktack wrote:
Adding gas first timings will be really good too( for terran ). Since they have been getting more popular lately

If you mean for the recent blu flame hellion play, it's already gas first. The factroy goes down about 3:12 If you delay your first marine it could be about ~-6-8s faster.
Administrator
ticktack
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates874 Posts
August 03 2011 14:00 GMT
#154
On August 03 2011 22:56 wo1fwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 17:03 jnkw wrote:
Looks good -- only thing is, has the 4gate section been updated for the latest patch?

Yep. It only changed ~3 seconds. The major change is that you will scout it if he's going 4 gate. If you chronoboost your stalker, the timing is delayed 10 sec.

Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 19:24 mr_tolkien wrote:
«• The average Infestation Pit completes at ~15:00.»
Regarding the current metagame, I'm not that sure of this assertion :/ I tend to have BLs on 4 bases by the 15:00 mark now.

I think having the 2 bases roach speedling all in done quite a lot in ZvZ and PvZ in the timings would also help !

Thank you very much for all the hard work !

I know the PvZ timing, but not the ZvZ...oh wait, do you mean This?. Also yea, with the usage to infestors going wayy up recently I would imagine that this timing has changed a bit. I still need to weed through MLG Columbus and add those timings in, or scrap the old ones if they're very different. Thanks for keeping me up to date.

Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 22:29 ticktack wrote:
Adding gas first timings will be really good too( for terran ). Since they have been getting more popular lately

If you mean for the recent blu flame hellion play, it's already gas first. The factroy goes down about 3:12 If you delay your first marine it could be about ~-6-8s faster.


Ah ok. Gas First banshees comes out 20 seconds earlier. Might want to add that?
A winner is just a loser who got pissed off and tried harder
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
August 03 2011 14:05 GMT
#155
On August 03 2011 23:00 ticktack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 22:56 wo1fwood wrote:
On August 03 2011 17:03 jnkw wrote:
Looks good -- only thing is, has the 4gate section been updated for the latest patch?

Yep. It only changed ~3 seconds. The major change is that you will scout it if he's going 4 gate. If you chronoboost your stalker, the timing is delayed 10 sec.

On August 03 2011 19:24 mr_tolkien wrote:
«• The average Infestation Pit completes at ~15:00.»
Regarding the current metagame, I'm not that sure of this assertion :/ I tend to have BLs on 4 bases by the 15:00 mark now.

I think having the 2 bases roach speedling all in done quite a lot in ZvZ and PvZ in the timings would also help !

Thank you very much for all the hard work !

I know the PvZ timing, but not the ZvZ...oh wait, do you mean This?. Also yea, with the usage to infestors going wayy up recently I would imagine that this timing has changed a bit. I still need to weed through MLG Columbus and add those timings in, or scrap the old ones if they're very different. Thanks for keeping me up to date.

On August 03 2011 22:29 ticktack wrote:
Adding gas first timings will be really good too( for terran ). Since they have been getting more popular lately

If you mean for the recent blu flame hellion play, it's already gas first. The factroy goes down about 3:12 If you delay your first marine it could be about ~-6-8s faster.


Ah ok. Gas First banshees comes out 20 seconds earlier. Might want to add that?

If you skip cloak and go banshee first, then yes it's about 20s earlier. I'll probably just and a note in there.
Administrator
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
August 03 2011 18:20 GMT
#156
This is great! Thanks wo1fwood!
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
Hrwa
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia147 Posts
August 04 2011 15:38 GMT
#157
Very nice resource, thanks for doing this.
"That trophy is worth a million times more than the money" - NaNiwa after winning MLG Dallas
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
August 07 2011 12:16 GMT
#158
I just updated the thread with the 2 base ghost push TvP, and two roach speedling openings.
Administrator
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
August 07 2011 20:59 GMT
#159
Average zerg timings have been updated for the current metagame.
Administrator
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
August 07 2011 21:20 GMT
#160
The MC 3 gate PvP timing is wrong. You get 1 zealot 4 stalkers 2 sentry at 6:10 for his standard build.
Moderator
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
#4
RotterdaM823
TKL 300
IndyStarCraft 201
SteadfastSC170
Rex102
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 823
TKL 300
Lowko258
IndyStarCraft 201
Hui .171
SteadfastSC 170
ProTech118
LamboSC2 113
Rex 102
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6065
Bisu 3853
Jaedong 2104
Horang2 1461
Shuttle 907
Hyuk 645
Soma 624
Larva 578
Stork 409
actioN 387
[ Show more ]
Mini 348
Snow 299
Light 276
Rush 276
ggaemo 196
Aegong 193
ZerO 193
EffOrt 170
Leta 111
hero 104
PianO 100
Sharp 63
Pusan 55
Hyun 50
Barracks 46
scan(afreeca) 36
Backho 29
ToSsGirL 28
sSak 27
910 23
Terrorterran 19
soO 18
Shine 17
Rock 15
GoRush 11
JulyZerg 9
SilentControl 8
Dota 2
Gorgc7793
qojqva1199
syndereN210
420jenkins85
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
olofmeister4112
fl0m3519
kRYSTAL_39
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King120
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1283
B2W.Neo759
hiko713
crisheroes385
DeMusliM295
Mlord241
Livibee116
XaKoH 106
mouzStarbuck84
ArmadaUGS61
ZerO(Twitch)21
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL32256
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HappyZerGling 67
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2686
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
9h 31m
The PondCast
19h 31m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 9h
WardiTV Team League
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
3 days
OSC
3 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Elite League 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W2
IPSL Spring 2026
Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.