[G] - Mutas in ZvZ - Page 2

On March 06 2011 19:29 STALLONEZONE wrote:
I think really the proper use for mutas in ZvZ is as a way to force hydra, and diminish roach count. I think it's entirely possible to go muta, and using the map control you have, keep him pinned long enough to take a 3rd, upgrade ranged/armour, and then go back to roaches. I see a lot of players go muta vs me in ZvZ and really I enjoy it, it's easy to turtle up your existing bases, get a bunch of hydra, throw down spores with your excess mineral income, and then -just go and kill him- with your superior roach/hydra count and ups.

I think you need to be very careful to understand that muta is just a method of forcing excessive hydra count, not an actual full on strategy, you're still going to need roaches to kill him eventually.

EDIT: A very very good way of using mutas would be to group them with an overseer and go hunt down his tumours, he's going to be actively creep spreading if he hopes to stop your muta harass efficiently.




This isn't true.

A lot of this seems to depend on you not only coming even in the speedling war early game, but actively winning it and doing solid damage, if you've done that, getting any unit will be fine, mutas or no.

On March 06 2011 03:30 Neivler wrote:


Also I like mutas in zvz, but only off 1 base. When you get 2 bases it is to easy to be scouted, a deadly roach push to kill you and your opponent should have such a good eco that he can easily afford some spores and a lot of hydras to defend.
And If you put up 5-8 spines to defend vs the roach push that might come, then I know what is coming. Mutas are easily countered when you know they are coming so I dont see a 2 base muta play as the best choice.

On March 06 2011 22:52 Br3ezy wrote:
gg against baneling busts

On March 06 2011 22:43 Oceaniax wrote:


If you see a one basing zerg with 2 gas, and I only see a roaches and/or zerglings, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what's going on.

Even if that person is still unsure about your gameplan after seeing all that, there's no reliable way to stop a slow OL scout from at least seeing your lair+gas, if not the spire itself.

On March 06 2011 21:58 T.O.P. wrote:

Force hydras? Hydras aren't bad units. They're great after you get a certain number of roaches to protect the hydras with.

On March 07 2011 02:40 Chaosvuistje wrote:
I think that IF you can do a large amount of damage with +1 melee lings against a onebase roach player and keep an expansion down, you can easily transition into mutalisks. The question is, why would you go mutalisks if you can finish it off right now?

I personally find mutalisks to be too gas intensive to be that useful. Then again I haven't dabbled around with muta's enough because my ZvZ's either end quick and painless or go into a roach/hydra war. In which case I would rather go for infestors than mutalisks.

There MUST be a timing where mutalisks are actually good. A very rare timing but there has to be one either way. I'm thinking about using about 8 mutalisks to snipe off overlords and get mapcontrol while getting a third and down-teching to roaches. Mutalisks en-masse are a dead tech no matter how you look at it.

I have been beaten by good muta players before. And their play involved getting a really quick third right as the mutas pop and then just overwhelming me with their macro since they seize map control. I think that especially in the next patch that mutalisks might become a really fun unit to experiment with considering the projectile of fungal and spreading them to prevent it. Still, I do not see use for it apart from a specific niche right between the time your opponent gets a natural and your muta's pop. They're simply too hard countered by infestors and hydra's to safely get them.