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Pl4t0
United States103 Posts
Microing a small group of marines (<15) is no problem - just shoot and scoot, or stim if they've got speed researched, and the banelings won't ever touch them. The issue is that unless ALL he's got is banelings, you usually don't have the liberty of simply sprinting away from the battle. So the question is, besides kiting, what's the best way to minimize banelings' damage against a group of marines? What techniques do you employ? What's the rhyme or reason to it? All responses much appreciated. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
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TrueZerG
43 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
Force some anti air, or you can continue to run around, stim pick and pick up. Enough time to churn out some tanks to focus fire down the banes | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
And I don't think stutter step micro works on banelings on creep. | ||
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
I wouldn't bother kiting, and I wouldn't bother trying to bate them. | ||
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ghanjamon
22 Posts
As a reference, watch the boxer/foxer/marineking vs kyrix series during the gsl season 2. foxer revolutionized the MU when he showed that the banelings aren't much of a counter to marines when microed correctly. Hope this helps | ||
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VinTeK
United States18 Posts
But you're caught in a situation w/o tanks, but you at least have stim, I found that the best method for spreading marines is - to immediately stim, - pull the majority of your marines BACK but keep some in the front line to absorb banelings, - quickly spread your selected marines to the BACK whilst creating an effective CONCAVE. - Finally, immediately focus fire as many banelings as possible. Takes a lot of practice, difficult to pull off—try to avoid the situation all together. The marine spread technique works usually, unless your opponent has 30 banelings+infestors. Then you're fucked. Note that if Z has baneling speed upgraded, stim-kiting isn't very effective, because as you stutter-step, the baneling splash damage kill your clumped-up marines. | ||
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vaLentine88
United States61 Posts
1. Stim 2. Running backwards, split into several chunks ex: Marines @ 12 o'clock, banelings coming from 6 1 Group goes 10 o'clock, one runs 12 o'clock, another runs 2 o'clock 3. Select all marines again 4. Shoot and scoot clicking on a point behind 12 o'clock. That should do the trick. Adapt clock positions as necessary. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Move back Shift click one marine out Move back Shift click one marine out Move back This will leave one marine at every stop. The banelings will either blow them up, making them cost inefficient, or leave them alone, which will allow them to keep shooting at the blings. This is the least APM-dependent micro technique to split your marines, I think. Or you can just be like Foxer and split them with control groups and 500 APM. I hate it when people do that. | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:11 lichter wrote: Select all your marines Move back Shift click one marine out Move back Shift click one marine out Move back This will leave one marine at every stop. The banelings will either blow them up, making them cost inefficient, or leave them alone, which will allow them to keep shooting at the blings. This is the least APM-dependent micro technique to split your marines, I think. Or you can just be like Foxer and split them with control groups and 500 APM. I hate it when people do that. Cloning everything is quite possibly one of the most apm intensive things in the game. Besides this will let the other units, speedlings or mutalisks, kill that one marine and is pretty much useless. + Show Spoiler + Maybe this guy is a troll. | ||
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vaLentine88
United States61 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:11 lichter wrote: Select all your marines Move back Shift click one marine out Move back Shift click one marine out Move back This will leave one marine at every stop. The banelings will either blow them up, making them cost inefficient, or leave them alone, which will allow them to keep shooting at the blings. This is the least APM-dependent micro technique to split your marines, I think. Or you can just be like Foxer and split them with control groups and 500 APM. I hate it when people do that. Don't like this- a good zerg player will keep his banelings on move command towards your ball while a-moving zerglings eat your single marines. The mouse movement needed to do this will also take away from your attacks, which are necessary to avoid getting hit! | ||
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Danze
Australia219 Posts
Although my main race is Toss, I've practiced this exact scenario in a million times for fun. Essentially, the faster you can split your marines into individual groups the better. If he's A moving, the blings will attack the closest target. So obviously you want to use the smallest amount of marines possible to be the bait and kite the banelings around; preferably away but ideally not out of range of the rest of your marines. It's all over very quickly if you have stim. Stim and split, either you split well and his blings die reasonably fast without you taking too many losses, or you fucked up and there goes most; if not all of your rines. I suggest practicing on a unit tester map. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
You should also not shoot and scoot/kite, you should instead stim and run your marines small clumps of 4-6 instead in multiple directions. Marine DPS is really high and you lose a fair amount of them when you stutter step the whole group. It is better to have the marines in the way of the banelings to run while the ones not in the baneling path pop the ones rolling by. Most of the time only a few of your marines are running away from the main body of the banelings while everything else is shooting the banelings. I mean, most of your marines are going to die anyway so maximize their DPS and force Zerg to split their baneling ball in multiple directions. You don't even need to have great APM to split if you keep your units spread out when they are sitting. | ||
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sas911
Canada113 Posts
Considering that you're going mass marines, couldn't you (b4 setting off to attack) hot key small groups of them, and make a hotkey for the large group? Because then when blings come, you can literally 1 click 2 click 3 click 4 click 5 click and whatever amount of groups you have hot keyed would be practically perfectly split up. Not to mention the zerg player can't do the same split, and that means the large group of banelings will have to go to each tiny ball of marines exploding them on at a time. Is it viable though? I understand it'll take up a lot of hotkeys, but I mean considering you're going mass marines, you only need 1 hotkey for all of the barracks, the number of your orbital commands, and starport assuming you've got medivacs. You'd still easily have more than 5 hotkeys left for seperating marines... and it sounds like it's worth it. Doing drop play is also pretty wise, blings are hardly viable against small groups of marauder drops. | ||
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charlie420247
United States692 Posts
the best counter to this composition that ive found to be successful is burrowed banelings in pairs and then infestors and then broodlords. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Genome852
United States979 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:46 Antisocialmunky wrote: You should also not shoot and scoot/kite, you should instead stim and run your marines small clumps of 4-6 instead in multiple directions. If you have enough tanks, or if the Z doesn't have enough banes, you're better off not even splitting your MM ball and just stim run them away instead since you'll have 0 losses to banelings (all dying to tanks). | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On November 27 2010 12:04 Genome852 wrote: If you have enough tanks, or if the Z doesn't have enough banes, you're better off not even splitting your MM ball and just stim run them away instead since you'll have 0 losses to banelings (all dying to tanks). You can do that but you risk losing your tanks which kinda kills your whole composition. | ||
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:11 lichter wrote: Select all your marines Move back Shift click one marine out Move back Shift click one marine out Move back This will leave one marine at every stop. The banelings will either blow them up, making them cost inefficient, or leave them alone, which will allow them to keep shooting at the blings. This is the least APM-dependent micro technique to split your marines, I think. Or you can just be like Foxer and split them with control groups and 500 APM. I hate it when people do that. This is probably the worst way to do it. | ||
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