Stopping marine rushes as Protoss. - Page 2

On November 09 2010 02:59 Skyro wrote:
If you're teching and plan to defend via FF your ramp, go stalkers + sentries.

If you're in a situation where you have a lot of space to kite his marines, go stalkers.

If you are planning to duke it out and fight in an open area, go zealot + sentries for guardian shield.

On November 05 2010 22:34 Logros wrote:
Hey I was wondering if you could give me some help on how to stop marine rushes. I just played a game on Meta, close positions, and he 3 raxed. I scouted this and tried to pump out as many units as I could but he showed up with 10 marines with 3 more on the way when I had 2 zealots and a stalker with a sentry just coming out. Granted I misplaced the FF a bit but half my units were gone already and he would've just killed me 5 seconds later even if it was well placed.
How can you ever stop this when he can pump out units so much faster? I don't think an earlier sentry will do it as he can just wait for the FF to finish and then kill you as you only have energy for 1. If you split his marines he will have sight up the ramp anyway and they can all attack.
I'm ~1200 diamond btw.

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On November 09 2010 03:02 ltortoise wrote:


Never ever go pure Stalker. I have beaten countless Protoss, even some rated far more highly than myself, who attempted to go pure Stalker against pure Marine.

It sounds good on paper but it really doesn't work out as well as it sounds. You won't reach critical stalker mass before he gets out a huge ball of marines. You will be using up like most of your APM trying to keep your 2 - 3 stalkers alive while he constantly pushes you backwards (hopefully not into a corner).

I can tell you with 100% certainty due to having TONS of experience with this build that at best case if you go pure Stalker with the standard gate core build, you will AT THE LEAST have to pull probes. Just adding ONE sentry to the mix gives you that critical time you need to mass up enough Stalkers.

On November 09 2010 03:02 ltortoise wrote:


Never ever go pure Stalker. I have beaten countless Protoss, even some rated far more highly than myself, who attempted to go pure Stalker against pure Marine.

It sounds good on paper but it really doesn't work out as well as it sounds. You won't reach critical stalker mass before he gets out a huge ball of marines. You will be using up like most of your APM trying to keep your 2 - 3 stalkers alive while he constantly pushes you backwards (hopefully not into a corner).

I can tell you with 100% certainty due to having TONS of experience with this build that at best case if you go pure Stalker with the standard gate core build, you will AT THE LEAST have to pull probes. Just adding ONE sentry to the mix gives you that critical time you need to mass up enough Stalkers.

On November 09 2010 03:42 Skyro wrote:


Obviously if they push you back all the way to your base you'll have a sentry there. No probe pulling necessary. The purpose of kiting is to slow their push and whittle their army down as much as possible (this is all assuming you spot the push and position yourself correctly), and obviously if you're kiting there's no real point in having zealots and sentries there as they'll just get chewed up trying to kite. It is a bit micro-intensive though yes.

On November 09 2010 03:47 ltortoise wrote:


You're underestimating the risk of bringing your Stalkers out of the base. It's a gamble and I have beaten many tosses gambling that they can get away with just walking over to my base and kiting.

I WILL control the watchtowers before you do if you go Stalker first, and probably even if you make a quick Zealot. If I see any kind of Stalkers trying to walk over to my base, I'm going to immediately split my Marines into 2+ groups and work on cornering those Stalkers. They will become a very huge liability very fast. Bringing out the Stalkers is greedy and unnecessary. I have killed them countless times just by having one group get behind them with another pushing from the front. You leave yourself very open to get out-microd, since your opponent simply has MORE UNITS to work with, even if each one is cheaper, it's far easier to get positional advantage on an open field when you have a lot of units.

Play safe, don't leave the base or at least your natural choke area unless you are 100% sure there's not going to be any surrounding going on or you have a critical mass of Stalkers (at least 4, hopefully more).