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Khaymus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States750 Posts
October 03 2010 13:24 GMT
#121
On October 02 2010 19:34 ryanAnger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 19:32 Khaymus wrote:
Artosis

I am currently watching you cast for the GSL final. I am dreaming about you nightly and sometimes feel that my day is not complete without listening to your voice.

Q1: Will you have my babies
Q2 (the serious question I have): Do you have anyone Air Force guys come to any of the events? I am trying to get stationed in Korea so that I can go to all of the finals and watch SC live in Korea. Just wondering if this is something alot of AF members know about, or if I will be going there alone ><

Thaniks for the replay pack and of course all of the great content you always release!


Haha, I'm also in the AF, and I'm going to try to get stationed there, but for the purposes of also playing SC competitively, off-duty.

Where are you stationed currently?


Im at Mountain Home Idaho right now. Need about another year here and then hopefully to Korea! I can't wait!!!
Let them say we lived in the time of Boxer, Emperor of Terran. Let them say we lived in the time of Nal_rA, Dreamer of Protoss. Let them say we lived in the time of Savior, Master of the Zerg.
Slaptoast
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada134 Posts
October 03 2010 13:32 GMT
#122
Thank you so much :D

I learned so much from the last rep pack you put out, I'm excited to see what your ZvZ's are like.
Flash! Aaaahhhhh!….He'll kill every one of us!
hooktits
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 16:09:31
October 03 2010 16:07 GMT
#123
hey artosis i skimmed through the whole thread i didn't see any questions about ZVZ, I am around 1000pt diamond and i feel it is the one match up that has been holding me back a little lately, plus i am not really sure what strat to use. I watched your 3 zvz games and the one that interested me the most was the zvz on delta quad. I usually open with ling bling and transition into muta but i have been interested in trying the roach hold position opening. I really liked in that game how you went hydra infestor, the fungal growth totally raped the other zerg it is a real beat down once u got that going well played. I guess my questions are

1. Give me your opinion on that build the roach ramp hold into hydra/roach infestor would that work well on other maps or just delta quad cause u can take the back expansion and hold the ramp cause i would imagine if you took a regular natural u could have been over run with lings and it seemed like u really need an exp to make that build work?

2. what zvz builds do you feel work best right now? That is if u can't use that hydra/roach infestor play on other maps?
is opening pure roaches worthless? i have seen it destroyed by just mass ling but i seem to fail every time i try to mass ling a pack of roaches early on.

Thanks and will you be at MLG DC?
Hooktits of Tits gaming @hooktits twit
dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
October 03 2010 16:26 GMT
#124
to someone who has a very dense rts background and never played BW who has made it to around 1300 Diamond with P, what advice would you give to them for little things ingame if they want to start playing zerg? cuz im awful at it and i get so confused with the hole queen mechanicsblablashit!
mikou
Profile Joined September 2010
France24 Posts
October 03 2010 19:39 GMT
#125
Thanks Artosis, that's what i'm waiting for ! Zerg replays :p
JIJI_
Profile Joined October 2010
United States123 Posts
October 03 2010 19:42 GMT
#126
Thank you Master Artosis
All hail King IdrA!
FunkyFresh
Profile Joined October 2010
44 Posts
October 03 2010 20:33 GMT
#127
None of your games (I think) show a zvp game where the protoss opens open w/ 2 gate zealot pressure, and transitions into 3 gate w/ a robo. I am having a real hard time defending this push, regardless if i FE or not. This is like the most common build im running into at a 1200 diamond league, and wanted to see if you had a counter for the stalker/colossus/sentry push. I noticed alot of games you get fairly quick mutas to control the map, and i typically transition into hydras as quick as a I can.
Do you think that your mutas are making so the opponent does not want to get those colossus? And in general, what is your favorite counter to this protoss build?
From my experience i think ling/hydra/infestor seems to work the most efficient, but I am still losing nearly all my games to a protoss that does this build.
KissKiss
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom136 Posts
October 03 2010 20:50 GMT
#128
Thanks for the replays.

Definitely liking this mass creep spread and getting more queens than bases. And man, Fungal doing some serious work when it comes to stalling pushes, burning medivacs energy down etc.<3 Those Infestors.
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
October 03 2010 21:52 GMT
#129
Hey, thanks a bunch Artosis! I'll watch these later tonight. xD

Hoping for some insights into ZvP, which is swear is a much harder match-up than ZvT anymore. That might be in part because I'm ot seeing much Thor/Hellion play lately tho.... (-_-')
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
Eazypeezy
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada54 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-03 22:21:24
October 03 2010 22:20 GMT
#130
Artosis. Im curious to here your opinion on cools style of ZvT. Maybe im analyzing wrong, but it seemed that he would get lingspeed and then go to mutas. However, he only got a handfull of mutas to keep up pressure/harass when possible/stop drops and then foucused on a roach/bling/infestor/ling to stall until ultras.

Q1- what are your thoughts of that strategy ?
Q2- I notice in some of your replays vs T you got out Hydras. Did you prefer that over cools style, or were your replays made before the final game where he displayed that strategy.
Q3- What are your thoughts on Cools double expand timing Where he gets the 2 expos + alot of upgrades ( its strengths and weakness)
fucken eh
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
October 03 2010 22:54 GMT
#131
On October 03 2010 22:24 Khaymus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 19:34 ryanAnger wrote:
On October 02 2010 19:32 Khaymus wrote:
Artosis

I am currently watching you cast for the GSL final. I am dreaming about you nightly and sometimes feel that my day is not complete without listening to your voice.

Q1: Will you have my babies
Q2 (the serious question I have): Do you have anyone Air Force guys come to any of the events? I am trying to get stationed in Korea so that I can go to all of the finals and watch SC live in Korea. Just wondering if this is something alot of AF members know about, or if I will be going there alone ><

Thaniks for the replay pack and of course all of the great content you always release!


Haha, I'm also in the AF, and I'm going to try to get stationed there, but for the purposes of also playing SC competitively, off-duty.

Where are you stationed currently?


Im at Mountain Home Idaho right now. Need about another year here and then hopefully to Korea! I can't wait!!!



Nice, I'm at Ellsworth, are there a lot of people in your shop who play? We had a bunch of bandwagon people here, that jumped the SC2 ship as soon as Halo Reach came out, so now I have no one to play with from work lol.

Also, Artosis, do you follow a specific build order in your ZvT's or do you just kinda go with it?
On my way...
haflo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
140 Posts
October 03 2010 22:55 GMT
#132
first of all thank you for wonderfull casts at the GSL , i enjoyed it tremendsly .

my first big eSport event and you and tastless got me hooked hard , much kodus (my boss however might try to hire a hitman - sorry ! )

i am a silver protoss so no deep strategic questions , i just was wondering has seeing FD in action inspired you in anyway ?

thanks again ! and you better get at least one step higher on GSL2 !
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 04 2010 00:42 GMT
#133
On October 03 2010 22:01 SovSov wrote:
Wow I didn't know you were this good. It's nice to get some replays of the "new Zerg" style of play that I can study myself. I thought I'd have to wait until Cool's replays from GSL were available.

Also, it seems like Overlord drops are just.. straight up counter to tank/mech based armies because of lack of mobility. Do you think this will be the new norm? A counter not by units but by a tactic.

edit: I mean sneaky Overlord drops into the enemy's base


I think for a while it will be the new "norm", until terrans figure out that they aren't allowed to move out until a certain time without dying, like SC1.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 04 2010 00:46 GMT
#134
On October 04 2010 01:07 HatchetWound wrote:
hey artosis i skimmed through the whole thread i didn't see any questions about ZVZ, I am around 1000pt diamond and i feel it is the one match up that has been holding me back a little lately, plus i am not really sure what strat to use. I watched your 3 zvz games and the one that interested me the most was the zvz on delta quad. I usually open with ling bling and transition into muta but i have been interested in trying the roach hold position opening. I really liked in that game how you went hydra infestor, the fungal growth totally raped the other zerg it is a real beat down once u got that going well played. I guess my questions are

1. Give me your opinion on that build the roach ramp hold into hydra/roach infestor would that work well on other maps or just delta quad cause u can take the back expansion and hold the ramp cause i would imagine if you took a regular natural u could have been over run with lings and it seemed like u really need an exp to make that build work?

2. what zvz builds do you feel work best right now? That is if u can't use that hydra/roach infestor play on other maps?
is opening pure roaches worthless? i have seen it destroyed by just mass ling but i seem to fail every time i try to mass ling a pack of roaches early on.

Thanks and will you be at MLG DC?


Q1. Yeah, its specifically a Delta Quadrant build. I'm working on some Roach builds for other maps, but right now, ling/bane is my best build by far on every other map.

Q2. ling/bane is the best opening, no doubt. Obviously 14 hatch is better if someone goes 13 pool or later, but thats a gamble. Opening roaches kinda sucks, the bane/ling opener can simply see it, get map presence, and counter you strongly.

Q3. no, too busy with GSL right now to make it, sadly.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 04 2010 00:48 GMT
#135
On October 04 2010 01:26 dahornnn wrote:
to someone who has a very dense rts background and never played BW who has made it to around 1300 Diamond with P, what advice would you give to them for little things ingame if they want to start playing zerg? cuz im awful at it and i get so confused with the hole queen mechanicsblablashit!


playing Zerg is almost a test of how good your basics of economy based RTS games are. SC1 is really the only game that would prepare you properly for that. so i suggest you work on learning the basics, such as "oh he's done this, it means he should have less units, and its time to expand!". "oh, he hasn't expanded yet, i better start making units instead of greedy drones." etc.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 04 2010 00:50 GMT
#136
On October 04 2010 05:33 FunkyFresh wrote:
None of your games (I think) show a zvp game where the protoss opens open w/ 2 gate zealot pressure, and transitions into 3 gate w/ a robo. I am having a real hard time defending this push, regardless if i FE or not. This is like the most common build im running into at a 1200 diamond league, and wanted to see if you had a counter for the stalker/colossus/sentry push. I noticed alot of games you get fairly quick mutas to control the map, and i typically transition into hydras as quick as a I can.
Do you think that your mutas are making so the opponent does not want to get those colossus? And in general, what is your favorite counter to this protoss build?
From my experience i think ling/hydra/infestor seems to work the most efficient, but I am still losing nearly all my games to a protoss that does this build.


as long as u open 14 pool or 15 pool, you should be totally fine vs any 2 gate pressure. just float a lord over his gates, and make enough lings to hold him off. ling/hydra is completely weak to colossus, so i suggest you stop doing that. mutas can be great, but vs a purely warp gate timing attack, its insanely hard to hold.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 04 2010 00:53 GMT
#137
On October 04 2010 07:20 Eazypeezy wrote:
Artosis. Im curious to here your opinion on cools style of ZvT. Maybe im analyzing wrong, but it seemed that he would get lingspeed and then go to mutas. However, he only got a handfull of mutas to keep up pressure/harass when possible/stop drops and then foucused on a roach/bling/infestor/ling to stall until ultras.

Q1- what are your thoughts of that strategy ?
Q2- I notice in some of your replays vs T you got out Hydras. Did you prefer that over cools style, or were your replays made before the final game where he displayed that strategy.
Q3- What are your thoughts on Cools double expand timing Where he gets the 2 expos + alot of upgrades ( its strengths and weakness)


Q1. He's insanely greedy while flying around with his mutas. Every game he would double expand and get every upgrade in the game at once. A strong 2 base timing attack would have probably killed him every game he did this. Its really hard to transition out of mutalisks vs an aggressive player.

Q2. I normally have used mutas vs terran, but am trying out this new strategy.

Q3. I think i answered this perfectly with Q1.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 04 2010 00:53 GMT
#138
On October 04 2010 07:54 ryanAnger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2010 22:24 Khaymus wrote:
On October 02 2010 19:34 ryanAnger wrote:
On October 02 2010 19:32 Khaymus wrote:
Artosis

I am currently watching you cast for the GSL final. I am dreaming about you nightly and sometimes feel that my day is not complete without listening to your voice.

Q1: Will you have my babies
Q2 (the serious question I have): Do you have anyone Air Force guys come to any of the events? I am trying to get stationed in Korea so that I can go to all of the finals and watch SC live in Korea. Just wondering if this is something alot of AF members know about, or if I will be going there alone ><

Thaniks for the replay pack and of course all of the great content you always release!


Haha, I'm also in the AF, and I'm going to try to get stationed there, but for the purposes of also playing SC competitively, off-duty.

Where are you stationed currently?


Im at Mountain Home Idaho right now. Need about another year here and then hopefully to Korea! I can't wait!!!



Nice, I'm at Ellsworth, are there a lot of people in your shop who play? We had a bunch of bandwagon people here, that jumped the SC2 ship as soon as Halo Reach came out, so now I have no one to play with from work lol.

Also, Artosis, do you follow a specific build order in your ZvT's or do you just kinda go with it?


just go with it.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 04 2010 00:54 GMT
#139
On October 04 2010 07:55 haflo wrote:
first of all thank you for wonderfull casts at the GSL , i enjoyed it tremendsly .

my first big eSport event and you and tastless got me hooked hard , much kodus (my boss however might try to hire a hitman - sorry ! )

i am a silver protoss so no deep strategic questions , i just was wondering has seeing FD in action inspired you in anyway ?

thanks again ! and you better get at least one step higher on GSL2 !


no, it didn't really inspire me. i normally love to play sc regardless.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
fAnTaCy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States893 Posts
October 04 2010 03:42 GMT
#140
Thanks for the reppack Artosis! =] Got to try your ZvP style a bit in a tourney today and I actually did really well with it and got a lot further than I expected with it without trying it beforehand haha =] Thanks again Artosis =]
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