I go Colossi because i am a new and i am not confident in my ability to deal with ghosts. Vikings piss me off but i have had been researching blink to snipe them.

ccJroy

United States483 Posts

August 28 2010 22:33 GMT

#22

Lets make 100 more threads on this same topic.

I dont wanna be a dick, but seriously this has been discussed in countless threads.

In almost every thread it boils down to the simple fact of that its all a prefference, if u can micro and feedback ghosts, go HT because they are harder to counter, if u wanna a-move and not have to micro too hard and watch for vikings, go for colossi. Both are equally good and do their job different ways. Both are very good against terran, now lets please stop making 100 threads on this issue.

Anty

7 Posts

August 29 2010 06:43 GMT

#23

Both are extremely useful.

If you think about it, you are going to be building a twilight council for zealot legs or blink, and a robo bay for observers. (One of the most powerful units in the game)

So, the real question is what to do after that. Most MM armies also have a few medivacs, so the cliff walking abilities of the colossus are slightly negated. (They can see up the cliff)

And ghosts w/ EMP can make HTs 360 HP balls of "OOM".

I prefer colossi, because even if with EMP, they still do all their damage. (remember, in terms of DPS, a 1 hp colossus = a 200 hp colossus)

Also, I would disagree with the poster above who mentioned that HTs give the same mobility as colossi. On the defensive, yes. If you plan to attack though, those things are so damn slow...

iEchoic

United States1776 Posts

August 29 2010 06:46 GMT

#24

I think you can distill it into two easy choices:

HTs are better if they don't have ghosts, colossus are better if they do. You can't beat storm's damage output on a MMM ball, but cloaked ghosts EMPing your templars is dangerous and it is difficult to keep them unclumped.

Torture

Canada221 Posts

August 29 2010 07:10 GMT

#25

I used to favour Templar play against Terran but after a few losses in a row to EMP and a failure to spread my HTs enough I've switched to primarily Colossus play.

They both have their side benefits though.

Colossus = Immortals/Warp Prism and the all important Observer (which will be needed anyways if they go Banshees or cloaked ghosts)
Templars = Charge/Blink, Charge especially is insanely useful against a bio ball.

Nephrahim

United States38 Posts

August 29 2010 07:17 GMT

#26

Both Robo bays (For the obs, at the very least) and Twilight councils (Charge) are nearly requirements when playing Terran. Even if you go HT, you can throw a few immortals in there to FF his marauders in a big battle.

Netherlands12045 Posts

August 29 2010 07:29 GMT

#27

early game, the robo tech is safe to get bc they have detection. Once you get robo, colossi is an easy follow up. Mid game on, colossi are not mobile enough to protect multiple base so you force to switch to HT with amulet. Late game, HT storm is key to win vs any type of unit composition as well as a good support to air tech VRs Carriers. Also BC can be feedback => good :D

Sentenal

United States12398 Posts

August 29 2010 07:37 GMT

#28

For me, depends on the point in the game. I'll go Templar first, since Colossi require an expansion so you can have the resources to pump them. And I can generally afford Templar off 1base. After I get on 2 or 3base, I start pumping Colossi. So basically endgame I have both. Best of both worlds.

0mar

United States567 Posts

August 29 2010 08:48 GMT

#29

Templar if they have no ghosts. Pure MMM will rape colossus builds because of vikings. All you need is 4-5 vikings (really not that much compared to colossus + tech) to negate reasonable numbers of colossus (eg 2-3). Templar is great against MMM because of feedback and storm. However, against ghost builds, temps become a liability because of EMP. Unless your micro is incredible, chances are 35-100% of your templar will be EMP'ed. But because ghosts are gas-heavy, there will be relatively fewer vikings compared to a pure MMM ball.

roliax

135 Posts

August 29 2010 10:50 GMT

#30

It's not as simple as:

"templar if they have no ghosts"
"colossi if they have no vikings"

A good T will eventually have the right counters, it's really not that hard for them to get it. I think you should pick the one you feel more comfortable with and simply practice it.

Yes, ghosts can emp HTs. But with practice, it'll happen less.

Yes, vikings can snipe colossi, but with practice, you can position them better.

It's not always about A > B. It's also about controlling your units. However, as a Terran player, I will tell you that it's a lot easier to harass a colossi build. I can usually keep the P in their base long enough for me to get a good amount of vikings out and possibly get a chance to snipe out the colossi.

Against HT, I will never engage unless I emp the HTs. It's usually easier for me to win vs HTs, but 1 screw up and it's gg.

JudoChopper

England148 Posts

August 29 2010 10:56 GMT

#31

You should go Colossi because you need the robo bay for the Observer anyway, don't wanna get Bancheesed. Also Observer is awesome scout in general.

clickrush

Switzerland3257 Posts

August 29 2010 11:12 GMT

#32

I like to get charge asap in PvT because it chargelots +2-3 stalkers destroy every early attack terran can throw at you. then I throw down a robo and a templar archive. its pretty important to scout if hes going for some banshee+marine build or cloack banshee harass.

with the storm research and the HT's I build up, i have a heavy gas sink so I can expand. its not a very early expansion but its safe, especialy if I can use cliffs near my natural to defend it with my initial HTs.

when the midgame starts I go for a HT, chargelot, immortal mix. I never go overboard with HTs. I like to mix in some stalkers too if I have a couple HTs allready. I somehow think you can have too many HTs. 5-6 are enough in a midgame army. with the energy upgrade It is never a problem to get a quick storm out if needed. and If I have too many HTs then I never get that energy low, even if some of them are EMP'ed.

The good thing about HT's is their flexibility. storm drop/warp-in is a very strong harass tactic and is not easy to defend against. feedback is strong versus many terran units: ghots, medivacs, banshees, ravens and also battlecruisers and thors which are not seen often in this matchup.

it is also suprising how well archons can do if you run out of energy.

so for me its HTs because of three reasons:

1. not easy counterable as collossi
2. flexible
3. no need to be massed, so other gas units can join my army if needed.

I also thought about using them along with voidrays, because storm keeps the marines busy while they charge up. but well I cant get every techpath at once

Arglot

Poland3 Posts

August 29 2010 11:15 GMT

#33

I prefer to use colo but i don't build too much of them because terran can do vikings so easily and they're hard to counter (yes, i can have blink and try to kill them but if there's battle i can't just blink and kill them all because there is MM or MMM ball). Later i tech to High Templars, i do speed upgrade for Warp Prism, i put HT in Warp Prism and EMP does not work on them. Just make sure your Warp Prism won't die.

This is my strat - both of them are good!

I did not readed all posts.

Nihilnovi

Sweden696 Posts

August 29 2010 11:21 GMT

#34

On July 16 2010 03:15 NukeTheBunnys wrote:
I find it hilarious hearing people complain about EMP in a thread about HT and storm hilarious. Yes there are a bunch differences between the two spells but in the end it comes down to EMP is better vs toss because its really only useful vs toss where as storm is good against all races, and therefore is a bit less powerful.

Infestors and Ravens disagree with this.

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