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Grimjim
United States395 Posts
I am high Gold, and he was mid-Plat. The amount of damage I did to his economy was just extraordinary, and yet he still manages to steamroll me. [url blocked] Since this was around the fourth loss in a row to Terran Mech, I was a little BM at the end. But fuck it, this build is just impossible to go against. | ||
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Mnijykmirl
United States299 Posts
17 drones at ~9 minutes vs. Terran's 24+ something before you even started muta harassment. Your income was less than Terran's all game, Terran's failure to prepare for mutalisk and the damage he took roughly balanced the income difference, but that's before you take into account the investment you had into mutalisk and that without some sort of economy lead the lack of cost-efficiency of mutalisk as a combat unit against all the marines you were facing was going to bite you in the ass later on down the line. It's also questionable to call that mech, considering that you faced marine-marauder-Thor, there were combat shield research but no mech upgrades researched. No siege tanks ever set up, no Hellion after the attempt at harassment... etc. | ||
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OHtRUe
United States283 Posts
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
Btw: I play in higher level plat, so the terran will scout enough to realise not to build too many thors :/ Not to mention, infestors are not a viable unit at all, 2 tanks shoot, dead. + any beside them dead. | ||
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Esteban
United States10 Posts
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Glufs
Norway78 Posts
I don't know if Ultralisk-drops will be more viable, though, since their HP got reduced. However, the new possibilities for harassment is great. I can't wait to test this out! | ||
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nemahsys
Canada457 Posts
On May 21 2010 05:05 Grimjim wrote: Well just got out of another game. I saw the early Hellion, so I planted a few crawlers at my expo to secure it. He saw that and backed off. So I got some fast Mutas out, and did significant damage to his economy. He freaks out and builds missile turrets everywhere, yet manages to secure his expo. Meanwhile he has banshees semi-harassing but not doing much, Vikings flying around but are easily sniped, and I'm basically keeping him in his base. I grab a third, but before I can get it up and running, he steamrolls me with Marauders and Thors. Having a Tank or two would have just been the icing on the cake. They clear my Roach defense with no problem, Hydras would have fallen even quicker, and my Mutas just melt. I am high Gold, and he was mid-Plat. The amount of damage I did to his economy was just extraordinary, and yet he still manages to steamroll me. [url blocked] Since this was around the fourth loss in a row to Terran Mech, I was a little BM at the end. But fuck it, this build is just impossible to go against. thats far from a mech build, very far. | ||
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ahcho00
United States220 Posts
i use this build all the time and yes it's a mech build. | ||
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BigDatez
Canada434 Posts
Corrupting starport for 3-4 mins solid while i make broodlords before push FTW? | ||
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s031720
Sweden383 Posts
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ajfirecracker
United States29 Posts
Without Metabolic Boost, Centrifugal Hooks'ed banelings will keep pace about perfectly with zerglings, allowing you to load your ball with a small wave of zerglings to lock up enemies, followed by most of your banelings, followed by most of your zerglings. This absolutely rolls through hellion-out-front mech micro. Banelings do extra damage against marines, helions, and SCVs. This takes out bio-balls and the key support units of thor mech, particularly if your micro isn't bad. (The power of the build comes from macro, though). If the terran player effectively goes air (either sneaking it by or switching), hydras are an easy tech-switch (this also works against bio-ball, so maybe a few hydra should be part of the standard build). Lings get the surround and cost-effectively own thor (imo). The units spread as they surround, which means if you can force relatively open fights (which you should be able to with even non-boosted lings against the glacial thor) you should be able to mitigate splash advantages, and the one-shotting of lings by thor means you're well served by aggressively upgrading melee damage (which boosts banelings as well) and ultimately getting fast attack for the zerglings, pumping numbers rather than armor (via upgrades) or health (via roaches). Advantages of the build: -Unit differentiation occurs post-hatchery, meaning that the only immediate decision for larva is drones vs. lings, which allows you to pump army or economy fairly effectively. -The force is well-equipped for base raiding, as even non-speed zerglings can often harass well. -Counters both major terran builds. -Extremely low use of food (1/2 per unit, rather than 2 with roach or hydra) allows you to quickly and repeatedly rebuild off of 2-3 injected hatcheries. This attacks the thor build by punishing slow build times. Disadvantages: -Requires micro of banelings to serve as the most effective counter to helions and scvs (a-move will just be wasted on thor, although it is fairly effective against bio-ball) -I've never seen mass tanks, but theorycraft suggests it should do well coming out of the thor build to respond to this unit composition. If a reasonably good player would test and report, this would be quite a bit more credible, obv. | ||
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s031720
Sweden383 Posts
 ), so Im not the one your adressing. But here goes anyway:Basically banelings are great against bio, but I think you maybe underestimate the meltage factor of sieged tanks. Most lings,blings wont even reach the helions if they are backed up with sieged tanks, so you need to catch them on the move. You could ofcourse try to force this to happen in several ways, but its not easy. Im sensing that as a nerf coming up; siegetanks sieging slower giving Z a bigger window to attack, also forcing T to frogleap his tanks and thus advance slowly. | ||
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ajfirecracker
United States29 Posts
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ajfirecracker
United States29 Posts
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
If you want to be remain competative in this game you need to play Terran as every patch they seem to get buffed and Zerg/Protoss get nerfed. Patch 13 is no exception and I'm sure patch 14 will be no exception either. | ||
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MoooN1
Germany128 Posts
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loadme
171 Posts
playing platinum 1600 as stupid as it sounds: worked most of the times pretty well going mass mutas +upgrades and speedlings works for the beginning get map control, of course. move out overlords. patrol single lings all over the map until everything is visible. if he trys to move out, attack his main asap with mutas to force him back. kill building addons, you dont like (reactor on factorys f exp.) and kill armory to interrupt more thors or upgrades on mech in the meantime get more mutalisks and throw down a 2nd or 3rd exp. you will have lots of minerals. first use it for tones of lings and overlords to never ever get supplyblocked (which ccould kill you, if terran builds many vikings ) get roach warren and speed upgrade tech for ultralisk and broodlords in the meantime you should now be able to overwhelm him. what works pretty well to, is to always combine units.meaning you can often kill everything by just moving lings and mutas (+roaches later) together. it looks like marines always target lings first. watch out for hellions of course. if he contaminates you with tanks somewhere around the center go for nydus and speedoverlords dont forget some spines @your choke then. but as many already said: scout early. if you see 2factorys, get roaches and try to get down the choke with roaches/ling spamming. would save you many time. another easy strat is: get fast muts. just upgrade to lair. (speed lings later) you will have some muts the same time, the terran is trying to harass your mineralline with 4-5 hellions. he doenst have enough minerals for towers and no time for thors . short version: eyes up open and building counter units asap | ||
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loadme
171 Posts
once you reach a critical mass with mutas (like 20-30), your only enemy are 2++ thors. guess 2 thors is easily beatable, if you split mutas 4-5 times, but always take a good look and watch out for your insane harassment units | ||
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Kyruel
United States91 Posts
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