[M] (2) Virtual Battle

On July 05 2012 00:32 NewSunshine wrote:
sup? ^^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339069

Anyway, to the layout:

The forward 3rd's are a bit suicidal, if both players try to take it, they are going to be sooooo close to each other. Horizontal spawns on Entombed Valley are hated primarily for this reason, so I don't see much reason to choose it as a 3rd base. Also, why has it only got 1 geyser? Other than that, I feel there are a lot of choke points, at every point on the map, without very many wide open areas. It seems to me that a Protoss deathball would have no problem moving out to attack, since there's always a choke to make for a favorable engagement. I think the map would be made better if you were to pull the 2 3rd bases closer to the main, it would make them better options overall, and there would be some room to expand the width of certain attack paths, since that might be a problem as well. Have you gotten the analyzer to work? That would help. On a side note, I like the dead-end base. The one near your main is actually easier to hold for the opponent, so harassment becomes more encouraged that way. Keep that feature for sure.

On July 05 2012 01:22 algue wrote:
This is insignificant, it's would be nice to see players/metagame adapting to the map and not the map adapting to the players/metagame

I'm tired of watching the same games on map which are alike ( 3rd easy to get and stuff ) and players that are able to change their style would be rewarded in front of monobuild players

On July 04 2012 20:33 KapsyL wrote:
oh man, this looks so fun ! i really like the whole virtual style
i like that there are so many attackpaths but i wonder if the thirds might be too hard to take with them both being on lowground
in ZvT i could see a issue with tanks on so many diffrent levels (high/low grounds) but i also feel this might be very good map for alot of flanking so it might just not be a issue with tanks at all. looks great anyway good job !

On July 04 2012 22:36 PandaZerg wrote:
looks funny!
Personally, I would try to reduce path distance between NAt and third.

On July 04 2012 23:23 Plexa wrote:
.... thats ... so ... trippy....

On July 04 2012 23:49 EcstatiC wrote:
woah awesome

On July 05 2012 00:32 NewSunshine wrote:
sup? ^^
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339069

Anyway, to the layout:

The forward 3rd's are a bit suicidal, if both players try to take it, they are going to be sooooo close to each other. Horizontal spawns on Entombed Valley are hated primarily for this reason, so I don't see much reason to choose it as a 3rd base. Also, why has it only got 1 geyser? Other than that, I feel there are a lot of choke points, at every point on the map, without very many wide open areas. It seems to me that a Protoss deathball would have no problem moving out to attack, since there's always a choke to make for a favorable engagement. I think the map would be made better if you were to pull the 2 3rd bases closer to the main, it would make them better options overall, and there would be some room to expand the width of certain attack paths, since that might be a problem as well. Have you gotten the analyzer to work? That would help. On a side note, I like the dead-end base. The one near your main is actually easier to hold for the opponent, so harassment becomes more encouraged that way. Keep that feature for sure.

These last 2 points are less crucial, but 1, the map really has no aesthetics. I've tried using force field walls like you have, but to do it properly takes a lot of work. In the map I linked to above, they're used with invisible LoS blockers, so consider that, but more importantly try to come up with a more cohesive theme. Like I said, this isn't so important, just something to think about. 2, the mineral lines look a bit strange, perhaps repeated a lot as well. Again, not important, just something to pick up along the way.

On July 05 2012 01:09 Skyblueone wrote:
Please when you do such awsome maps, put them also on the EU server.

This is insignificant, it's would be nice to see players/metagame adapting to the map and not the map adapting to the players/metagame

I'm tired of watching the same games on map which are alike ( 3rd easy to get and stuff ) and players that are able to change their style would be rewarded in front of monobuild players

There needs to be adaptation on both sides. It would of course be completely absurd to make a map with no conventional features and say "hey, live with it". This is perhaps its own debate, all I really have a problem with is the extremely short distance between the center bases, which could stand to be shortened. This doesn't have anything to with the metagame or adaptation, but rather making it so it's not a winner's base, which really adds nothing to gameplay.

I like the map, it's got potential, but it's got some things which need changing to make it a serious contender. Just trying to help here.

On July 05 2012 01:42 Syphon8 wrote:
I have no idea how you did these aesthetics, but as for the layout; it's a wee bit too choked up. I don't think Z would be able to effectively hold the areas of the map they need to before Hive tech.

On July 05 2012 01:43 Existor wrote:
Change day time to hight and will be more awesome

On July 05 2012 16:00 ihasaKAROT wrote:
The cube 2, Hypercube!

On July 05 2012 18:28 Rkynick wrote:
Middle two expansions will never be taken, I think.

On July 08 2012 14:51 SigmaFiE wrote:
Just thought I'd share this test game with you. It is probably not the best game (in fact I am sure it isn't because I was playing -- mad props to Paperboat though as he offraced me with Terran, and than crushed (and I mean I was a piece of paper that he ripped in two) on the next match (different map). Just food for thought -- IMO, if Protoss can get to collosi it will be tough to dealt with due to how the highground pretty consistently runs across the length (southwest to northeast) of the map.

But it is a very fun map. Good job. I'd like you to push the aesthetics a little further as they were pretty repetitive and not in a good way. Just vary it a little bit more.

Paperboat vs Odysseus on Virtual Battle

On July 09 2012 04:00 KapsyL wrote:
Could you please give some information on what you have updated? It might be me being tired but I cant see much diffrence?
Also i wonder, how big are ramps @the ends of the middle highground? I figure its more then 1 forcefield but i wonder if it could be better with a slightly bigger ramp? (For bigger units like ultralisks and thors sake..?)

On July 10 2012 09:28 WhiteKnight wrote:
Looks like a cool map, would love to try it. Only problem is a Zerg player might as well GG at the beginning as Zerg have the obvious advantage out in the open and there are no obvious open areas where Terran/Toss have the advantage at chokes. Actually some of the areas might not be too bad but toss and terran can always fall back to the choke.

On July 10 2012 18:53 OxyGenesis wrote:
The 2 low ground 'dimples' in the top right and bottom left seem fairly useless. In fact, I don't really see why anyone would go anywhere near the top right and bottom left, those areas don't really have much in them.

As for the aesthetics, I originally didn't like them very much but they are growing on me. You could perhaps try messing with the specular in the lighting to make it more 'glowy'? Not sure about the fog colour either.

On July 10 2012 18:53 OxyGenesis wrote:
The 2 low ground 'dimples' in the top right and bottom left seem fairly useless. In fact, I don't really see why anyone would go anywhere near the top right and bottom left, those areas don't really have much in them.

As for the aesthetics, I originally didn't like them very much but they are growing on me. You could perhaps try messing with the specular in the lighting to make it more 'glowy'? Not sure about the fog colour either.

On July 10 2012 22:57 Derpmallow wrote:

I think the point of them is to make those corner bases more viable, due to the positional disadvantage that comes with attacking up a ramp like that. With that said, though, it seems like the number of ramps in the center circumvents that, and might actually make taking bases too difficult. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to bring that trio of ramps down to just two ramps, or even just one?

On July 11 2012 09:15 uikos wrote:
oh my god xDDD ahahaha regardless of map base locations, etc, this is totally what I imagine playing starcraft under the influence of LSD looks like. ahaha oh my god. xD this is brilliant. great job great job!