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Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 18:43:11
May 11 2011 04:08 GMT
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Mereel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany895 Posts
May 11 2011 19:04 GMT
#3
holy shit....gonna need some time to read all :D
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dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 20:02:59
May 11 2011 20:02 GMT
#4
WALL OF TEXT and so many Spoilers within Spoilers. Sorry, but that's just to much!
TPW Member | My Maps @ TL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171486 | Search 'dezi' at EU
Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
May 11 2011 21:35 GMT
#5
Why does the natural have only 1 gas (sorry if it was already answered somewhere in the wall of text)?
Let thy speech be better than silence, or be silent.
Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
May 11 2011 22:30 GMT
#6
Why exactly did you put noise terrain in the main? Terran and Protoss will be building stuff there (and therefore bending the terrain).

Oh my God, those rush distances are humongous. Terran is probably underpowered on this map, more so than just the rush distances, but also the fact that the natural and third are so easy to take. I would've made this map smaller and just forget about all the features that you wanted to include. You can't have everything
Archivian
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom362 Posts
May 11 2011 22:51 GMT
#7
The Rush distances are pretty big. I would imagine it takes 1min 6secs game time (there abouts) with a marine.

That being said, if the structure of the map helps to hide the size of the map whilst playing it may not be an issue. I have used a rush distance of 180 myself, which was 1min game time. This did not turn out to be an issue gameplay wise, though i felt that I had hit the limit.

It is possible that you have managed to move the bar on that with your 188 distance.

Still I have not yet read through this post and will be constructive as soon as I get a chance.
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" Micheal Caine
Randomaccount#77123
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United States5003 Posts
May 11 2011 23:03 GMT
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Archivian
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom362 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-11 23:12:00
May 11 2011 23:11 GMT
#9
I assumed the ramp to ramp distance was more reasonable, but i spoke of the analyzer distance as they are the ones displayed.

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As with mine, the distance is more reasonable but ramp to ramp for me is still 1min game time with a marine. Which I felt was pushing it but it seems to work.

Out of interest have you had a chance to time the ramp to ramp distance? or managed to get anyone to play test it and give you feed back. I know the latter can be awkward to do, but if you havent try and get it done, just for the feed back, its always helpful for future maps.
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" Micheal Caine
Randomaccount#77123
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May 12 2011 02:52 GMT
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Archivian
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United Kingdom362 Posts
May 12 2011 08:29 GMT
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On May 12 2011 11:52 Barrin wrote:
Well first off the main CC to main CC really matters more for things like 6, 7 pool. To be honest, Ramp 2 Ramp means more for practically everything else.

I will do a real ramp to ramp test in the next few hours and I'll let you know what I get. I expect it to be just under 50 seconds TBH.



I bet the goat that I was about to sacrifice to iGrok its 56sec-1min (bare in mind should you win this bet I will have to begin the igrok summoning again)
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" Micheal Caine
Randomaccount#77123
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United States5003 Posts
May 12 2011 16:46 GMT
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Archivian
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom362 Posts
May 12 2011 16:50 GMT
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56 seconds should be fine, that is the same as Tal'dahrim. As i have mentioned I've pushed it to 1min, and i think that is probably the absolute limit.
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" Micheal Caine
adso
Profile Joined March 2011
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Last Edited: 2011-06-17 14:08:42
May 12 2011 16:58 GMT
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Randomaccount#77123
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Archivian
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United Kingdom362 Posts
May 12 2011 17:58 GMT
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On May 13 2011 02:50 Barrin wrote:
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On May 13 2011 01:50 Archivian wrote:
56 seconds should be fine, that is the same as Tal'dahrim. As i have mentioned I've pushed it to 1min, and i think that is probably the absolute limit.

Agreed. Much more than 1 minute is killing it. Unless MAYBE it's scrap station style with close air and destructible rocks blocking a shorter path.



funny you mention that. for my Motm entry, I experimented with 3 different rush times, got them tested and got the feedback from matches. about between 10 and 15 games on each different timing.

Timings/ most common Respones too that timing. (majority was low mid master players)


42secs (same as XNC) - Most common response was suprisingle " is the rush distance is the same as steppes of war? because it feels like it."

52secs (same as Lost temple Diagonal Spawns) - "this rush distance feel even bigger than Tal'darim, its huge."

48secs - "rush time is just right, the same as XNC's".

I was suprised at the feedback tbh but in the end i stuck with 48secs, and there was no complaints about it in the many many other tests i did on the map afterwards.
"you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!" Micheal Caine
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