• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:12
CEST 13:12
KST 20:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 20269Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9355 users

[M] Ashen Sands - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 Maps & Custom Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Meltage
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany613 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-05 00:06:26
February 05 2011 00:04 GMT
#21
@@ Akill_

LOL! Youi're welcome as long as suggestions go. Glad someone takes the time to think about the 1v1 aspect and some minutes in paint However your suggestion lacks a motivation. WHY is it better?

How come you don't remove the other mains and kept the 1 and 7 o'clock? The rush distance in this example is 144 between mains (while the long rush distance is 174 between nats). Isn't a short rush distance way more inbalanced?

I think it's possible to add a game mode to the map where you choose this variant of start locations for 1v1 if you want to (just as Faxe suggested in the second post) That would be something you setup in the lobby. Bnet wouldn't count the map as melee, though.
http://mentalbalans.se/aggedesign
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
February 05 2011 00:16 GMT
#22
On February 01 2011 19:23 Meltage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2011 07:14 WniO wrote:
Cross positions look to be a nightmare. that rush distance is SO LONG. but i agree, the texturing is impressive.


Thanks. About the texturing, I'm not entiredly satisfied beacuse I still think Blistering Sands looks better.

Rush distance ... I've heard players say that the bliz maps have too short rush distances for balanced play. From main ramp to main ramp (long rush distance, in 1v1) is 174, kind of. In 2v2 the main concept is to have a long distance for one ally, a short for the other. Also there are the backdoors that provide shorter distnace (well, not rush distance since there are rocks). The players I had testing 1v1 said the distance was fine.

Do you ppl agree that the typical rush distances on bliz maps are too short balanced play? Even so, might the long rush distance be bad for my map and why?

well despite complains what everyone says about layout blizz maps are actually decorated superbly, (so dont get down yall.) I really like the complimentary colors with the blue fog/desert setting. the rush distances might be fine as i havent played it yet, but im not entirely sure where players spawn, because it looks like some players get a third gold base while others get a regular base for their third.
Meltage
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany613 Posts
February 05 2011 00:49 GMT
#23
@@WniO you can try the map on NA - an older version but no huge changes.

players spawn top left and bottom right in 1v1. In 2v2 players spawn at the white circle locations marked on the overview image. One ally then has a gold third (or nat if you want to risk it) ... the short rush distance is 144 between mains (only in 2v2) and the long is 174 between the nats.
http://mentalbalans.se/aggedesign
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
February 05 2011 00:53 GMT
#24
ah cool. will do at some point
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Spring Champion…
11:00
Group Stage 2
WardiTV273
TaKeTV 106
Ryung 85
Rex72
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 85
Rex 72
trigger 43
deth 13
SHIN 9
BRAT_OK 7
TKL 5
MindelVK 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35748
Calm 8051
Sea 5977
Shuttle 620
firebathero 487
Zeus 404
Mini 286
Soma 285
Larva 255
EffOrt 239
[ Show more ]
Hyun 123
Mind 114
Pusan 103
Snow 93
Free 73
Nal_rA 70
Rush 54
hero 48
Backho 46
Movie 43
ggaemo 43
Sharp 40
scan(afreeca) 35
Barracks 30
sorry 28
[sc1f]eonzerg 23
Noble 22
Liquid`Ret 21
GoRush 19
Bale 18
soO 17
Sacsri 15
Shine 15
yabsab 11
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe162
Fuzer 132
Dendi81
League of Legends
JimRising 335
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1662
edward113
markeloff104
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King109
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr47
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi722
Lowko541
Dewaltoss153
XaKoH 39
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3225
Other Games
gamesdonequick683
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1956
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
12h 48m
Replay Cast
21h 48m
The PondCast
1d 22h
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
GSL
4 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-15
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.