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Power Rank 04/10/2009 - Page 8

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cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
April 13 2009 00:32 GMT
#141
Luxury, by.Hero, Nada, Stork overrated

Flash wayyyy underrated
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
April 13 2009 01:41 GMT
#142
On April 13 2009 06:35 piratebay wrote:
i dont get why luxury bo5 with leta is mentioned in this PR and last months PR.


Just a point of reference. I feel like if I don't say Luxury plays really dumb from time to time that people will come in here after he drops a single game in PL and say "Y U PUT HIM #2?? HE LOS TO DIS CHOBO"
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
April 13 2009 02:10 GMT
#143
I'm a fanboy but I think July, sAviOr and Jaedong all have alot better ZvP than Luxury. If you'd go by which player other players would like to play the least/is most afraid of, then the list should probably look more like:

1 Jaedong
2 Bisu
3 Flash
4 Fantasy
5 Stork
6 Jangbi
7 Luxury
8 Skyhigh
9 -

Going by results does warrant Luxury a high spot though, so it's a good PR.
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
April 13 2009 03:44 GMT
#144
I agree with the PR, and i'm glad to see luxury's really tenacious zvp style being recognized.

my heart breaks for flash at 7.. even though he deserves it.

and fantasy is sooo good.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
April 13 2009 03:58 GMT
#145
Doesn't Jaedong's new picture looks like he is looking down on people?
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Metallingus
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines468 Posts
April 13 2009 04:02 GMT
#146
On April 13 2009 12:58 MuffinDude wrote:
Doesn't Jaedong's new picture looks like he is looking down on people?


Fits the Tyrant Zerg moniker perfectly, IMO. Current pic captures how amazing he played for the past month, destroying people left and right.
Overcome all. Especially plateaus.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 13 2009 04:09 GMT
#147
". This guy right here is the best ZvP player on earth, a title held by Jaedong for the last year and a half. "
Oh, FS, do you not consider July's ZvP to be better than Jaedong's during his minislump last year?
Jaedong
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
April 13 2009 04:43 GMT
#148
Nice power rank. I don't follow pro-gaming superclosely but those WL finals were intense. Don't know much about by.hero and why is is above skyhigh and nada but ok!
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
April 13 2009 04:57 GMT
#149
nada isnt 10th best srry.
zimz
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
April 13 2009 06:48 GMT
#150
Go Nada!
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
April 13 2009 07:43 GMT
#151
On April 13 2009 13:43 Jonoman92 wrote:
Nice power rank. I don't follow pro-gaming superclosely but those WL finals were intense. Don't know much about by.hero and why is is above skyhigh and nada but ok!


Winning 3 times in a row against Bisu, beating his teammate Hwasin, taking games off Fantasy and Leta and making semifinals in his first OSL.
BW forever || Thall
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7828 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-13 09:20:08
April 13 2009 08:56 GMT
#152
Kinda just sounds like a bunch of fans are upset their favorite player isn't getting the "best zerg player in every MU domination!" recognition they are used to him getting. Luxury showed great ZvP performance in the last month, and plays the matchup in a strong style that is his own. Sometimes his game sense seems off, and other times it's incredible. Just be happy another Zerg player is preforming well and quit taking it like some kind of insult to JD

Lux is a very streaky/inconsistently brilliant player and I can't get over everyone's band wagoning about his "horrible ZvP; lol lost to spear! fakesteve so wrong." Just kind of funny if you ask me.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
April 13 2009 11:52 GMT
#153
On April 12 2009 07:20 AttackZerg wrote:
I agree with all of the rankings but fakesteve is 100% wrong about luxurys zvp. It is still notches below julyzerg. His level of play was not nearly as high jaedongs has been at anytime during the last year, even when jaedong lost to tempest ... Luxury had the sickest map pool of all time ZvP against a finals choker that doesn't compare to jaedong consistently (read all the time) destroying great protoss. Jaedong beat bisu is alot more meaningfull then luxury beating jangbi.

Other then that I feel bad for fantasy, the two players above him he demolished in convincing fashion AND was two or maybe three seconds away from winning the osl. That is rough but the fact is luxury and bisu are better then him. Poor guy.

agree with you, jaedongs zvp is far better than luxurys and julys zvp probably is better too (he has a vastly different style zvp than JD and lux though, so its kinda hard to compare imo).
I think one misconception led to another, steve overrated jangbis pvz before the finals heavily and therefore drew the conclusion that luxurys zvp must be godly since he destroyed jangbi with relative ease.
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17733 Posts
April 13 2009 11:54 GMT
#154
On April 12 2009 09:15 Furia wrote:
" SkyHigh is notoriously a player that has significant nerve problems while playing on TV "

WTF????? He is as cold as ice. Did you watch his last all-kill? I can't think of another situation on which a player would be under more pressure.

He used to have a problem with his nerves in broadcast games. iirc he tore through the offline msl qualifications a few msls back and than lost real badly in survivor(broadcasted game). Nice to hear he got rid of it.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 13 2009 18:01 GMT
#155
Like others said, fine PR except the part of "luxury has the best zvp".
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13305 Posts
April 13 2009 23:39 GMT
#156
My two cents:

* I think you overrate Luxury's ZvP. It's still pretty shaky imo and I'd like to see some greater consistency in his perfomances before you can label him 'best ZvPer'. I'd take Jaedong to ZvP for my life any day over Lux.

* You overrate Fantasy too imo (I guess you need someone to cheer for given Sea's condition ). If he's given adequate time to prepare, he capable of executing strong, tricky builds to a high degree, but as his form in the WL suggests, his pure BW talent is still behind that of the S-Class gamers (particularly his TvZ which remains unconvincing). By this I mean, when he plays random opponents without preparation, he looks like just another terran.

* I think Skyhigh deserves a higher rank. He's been really impressive all season for CJ and has consistently been the backbone of their strong results culminating in his dominant WL finals display. Of the terrans around right now, I'd put him at #2 behind Flash but just ahead of Fantasy.

* Jaedong is scary good, but I wonder if he'll be able to maintain the rage or drop off like the greats before him who seem to have conquered the peak.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 01:30:17
April 14 2009 01:29 GMT
#157
Luxury is not even close to JD level. Fantasy power rank is more like it. Bias is running amok up in here.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7828 Posts
April 14 2009 03:50 GMT
#158
Any CBNC for Hoejja? Or is he too rookie still? I guess he hasn't shown anything that great, but it would be cool to hear your thoughts Steve
SerpentFlame
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
415 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-14 07:16:37
April 14 2009 06:41 GMT
#159
Yes Luxury plays like a total dumbass from time to time, but he's only showed brilliance in the final in ZvP (against a lackluster jangbi, and has been untested otherwise). It's too early to say he has the best ZvP; for example, historically people have been able to excuse sAviOr's and Nada's (bonjwa era) poor PL performance simply because they showed unquestioned dominance in other fields. If Luxury played more than one set against someone who wasn't playing in questionable form, "having the best PvZ" would be realistic. But Jangbi, while having a good PvZ record, has not ever been tested against Jaedong or even sAviOr (having his wins primarily from players like Yarnc and calm). Basing "Best PvZ" on one set, however important the set may be, with a not-superbly-performing Jangbi is akin to saying that Hero has the best PvZ for killing Bisu 2-0; both are based on one important set with a top gamer, and ONLY one set. It's just not realistic, especially when other results besides one Bo5 don't back up the "best PvZ" claim (besides, possibly, the All kill from who knows how long ago).

Further, I'd personally think that Fantasy ought to be ranked above Bisu, for this month only. Who would I predict to be stronger next Starleague season? Bisu, almost doubtlessly. But lets look at this quickly.
Fantasy: vs Z, OSL Finals (top of the world): 2-3 Jaedong. 2-1 Luxury. Sure people will argue the level of play is different. But Fantasy completely destroyed Jaedong sets 1 and 2, and Jaedong just had no answers to Fantasy's mech/biomech, in a final no less. I'm not willing to say he played that well against luxury more than Luxury just dropping the ball, but 2-1 against someone of Luxury's caliber is still impressive, and in the semifinals no less. None of it cheese. Yes he doesn't do that well in Proleague, especially vs Zerg, but the player two slots above him seems to be exempt from that rule. Yes his bionic is still weak, but he plays to his strengths, just like any good gamer, and he played it exceptionally well. I couldn't see any zerg not going 0-5 in that set, had the set been played that long. The ability to mix it up, if anything, outweighs brute mechanics: tons of high level gamers are unable to adapt to a change in standard (free vs great in PL, Luxury vs Leta in group stages, luxury vs fantasy OSL set 3, etc.) Yes next month he will probably get owned again versus Zerg from time to time, but again, this does not seem to trouble the gamer 2 slots above him at the moment.

Bisu: vs Z: 2-3 Jaedong. GomTV invitational, good amount of money involved, but still far removed from the caliber of the OSL finals. That's got to count for less than a great OSL finals. Great play, top notch decision making, but unfortunately its showing signs of mortality (not that Fantasy's is any better), seeing as he's dropped games to players like Bisu, Hero, and Zero, in places where it really counted. He probably is better than Fantasy vs Zerg, and will almost definitely win more proleague games against zerg in the coming season, but he didn't pull it out where it counted, not this month or months prior, where Fantasy did, and this merits Fantasy's rank above him in this matchup, if only for one month.

Fantasy v P: probably Fantasy's strongest matchup, and 3-0 Bisu. In the OSL semifinals no less. Come on, the most prestigious tournaments, no excuses. 3-0 is 3-0, against Bisu no less. Bisu didn't play any worse than he normally has. Fantasy pulled out his S game, and it was too much for Bisu.

Bisu v T: Before this set, Bisu would definitely be the favorite, but Bisu didn't lapse in his dominant PvT form, he played the same and was simply outplayed in a place where it counted. Bisu would primarily be counted as an excellent player vs T following his win against Flash in the non-Kespa sanctioned GomTV Classic, a match Flash stated he did not practice much for. The same Flash that Fantasy is doing quite well against in recent memory.
He did dismantle the terrans in racewars, and looked ridiculous while at it, but if he can't beat players where it matters, it's not going to come to much.

Fantasy vT Very skilled at TvT, 2-0 vs Flash this year, although granted the most recent one was a BO win back to front. His play versus Leta in the OSL Ro16 was similarly dominant, and Leta wasn't doing bad insomuch as he started playing against the top opponents.

Bisu v P: Better than Fantasy's v T almost unquestionably, but nothing happened here in the past month. All in all, for one month, the OSL finalist, in my opinion, deserves a better rank than Bisu for this month, as he's been able to dismantle all three gamers above him (if only Jaedong in two sets) in their strong matchups.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 14 2009 06:48 GMT
#160
On April 14 2009 12:50 Vasoline73 wrote:
Any CBNC for Hoejja? Or is he too rookie still? I guess he hasn't shown anything that great, but it would be cool to hear your thoughts Steve


i think he has potential, but cheesing Bisu isnt enough...
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