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Yeah I just read the interview, konadora's edition (the same person who translated Fantasy's)
"i rarely lose in practice vs (x)"- this was not part of the interview
" i have prepared against all of his possible builds,"- he said he practiced against the builds fantasy used, but was not able to show it. He never said he practiced against every build.
Yes, he said he would all kill if the chance arrives, but the difference here is that Jaedong never ever blames any losses except on his lack of practice and is aware of the pitfalls of cockiness.
Anyways, you original statement was that Bisu is cocky and aggressive and Jaedong is cocky and humorless. Obviously, this is a whole big coinencidence that most people think that Bisu is cocky and few people think that Jaedong is; both players have a equal number of fans, I'm guessing.
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Poll: Who is more cocky?
(Vote): Bisu
(Vote): Jaedong
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Stop the presses! Bisu is more arrogant than Jaedong! Obviously that also means Jaedong isn't arrogant at all! Wait, no, that's retarded...
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Who the fuck would assume that? You're making inferences yourself and debunking them. My poll is valid. My polls are always valid.
On April 21 2009 06:58 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Are you some kind of agricultural by-product, the dry stalk of a cereal plant, after the grain or seed has been removed, that has somehow transformed into a man?
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On April 21 2009 11:44 Sentenal wrote:
Stop the presses! Bisu is more arrogant than Jaedong! Obviously that also means Jaedong isn't arrogant at all! Wait, no, that's retarded...
Holy crap no way! I had not idea there was a reason people focus on Bisu's "cockiness" rather than Jaedong's. You should tell traced that.
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On April 21 2009 09:29 purple[time] wrote:
Fantasy is still undefeated since the osl, Jaedong was until he faced the force known as FANTASY. I really hope we get to see a new rivalry emerge between the two. Their play is just a thing of absolute beauty.
You mean Fantasy won ONE game after the OSL and that is considered "still undefeated"? Don't use fancy words for a very minor achievement. There haven't been enough games to use words like that.
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Fantasy was pretty awesome beating jaedong in proleague, game was pretty intense overall. Even if he didn't finish him off in the OSL. Though I wish by.hero took JD out and had a Fantasy by.hero final. Would've been much more interesting to watch imo.
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On April 22 2009 01:13 Zeridian wrote:
Fantasy was pretty awesome beating jaedong in proleague, game was pretty intense overall. Even if he didn't finish him off in the OSL. Though I wish by.hero took JD out and had a Fantasy by.hero final. Would've been much more interesting to watch imo.
Yeah by.hero beeing that smart 9 pool speeds him 3 times in a row and beats fantasy that has 1 marine and a factory building every game by that time :D .But you never know how will all turn out .
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On April 21 2009 11:09 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Anyways, you original statement was that Bisu is cocky and aggressive and Jaedong is cocky and humorless.
that's actually the exact opposite of my original statement
the guy said he wished bisu would have a jaedong attitude, implying jaedong's attitude is better.
so i said, "so you prefer cocky and aggressive to cocky and humorless? =P"
don't get too bent out of shape because of it, i thought the smiley made it clear i was kidding
On April 21 2009 12:04 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2009 11:44 Sentenal wrote:
Stop the presses! Bisu is more arrogant than Jaedong! Obviously that also means Jaedong isn't arrogant at all! Wait, no, that's retarded... Holy crap no way! I had not idea there was a reason people focus on Bisu's "cockiness" rather than Jaedong's. You should tell traced that.
i think you misunderstood this too...
like, i think you're making up my argument in your mind. i'm just saying they're both cocky, in regards to that dude's statement. which they are. i don't care if bisu is more cocky.
WHY IS EVERYTHING SO DIFFICULT, TEAMLIQUID
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okay, you're right, I'm wrong, it must be more of a feeling the Koreans get from the players or a rep they have.
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On April 21 2009 09:21 Hugo(Sphere) wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 17 2009 17:03 latent wrote:
Ok ok, I think with regards to Fantasy's series against Bisu a little logical contemplation is in order. I was as shocked and disappointed as any Bisu fan when Bisu lost 3-0, but any Starcraft BoX series has to be taken with a grain of salt. The reason for this is the nature of *positive feedback* in Starcraft. It is this trait which makes Starcraft different from pretty much all national and international sports out there. What I mean by positive feedback is that when a player gains an advantage during a match, that player will be able to reinforce that advantage and over time it will grow. For example, if a player manages to harrass a player's economy by kililng a probe or 2, they will instantly have a small advantage in economy. But each of their extra probe or 2 will bring in a few extra minerals per mining trip, which will allow them to build probes and units faster than their opponent, which will lead to them being able to gain an even larger economic lead over their opponent. This is the problematic nature of Starcraft. Every little advantage counts, because it reinforces itself and builds up (in some cases exponentially, in fact) over time.
Compare this to a sport without significant positive feedback, like basketball for example. An analogy to starcraft would be that if team A's score dropped to say 10 points below the other team's (team B) score, then team A would be required to pull a player off the court and play 4 vs. 5. This would naturally put them at an even further disadvantage. Of course this doesn't happen in basketball. If a team is down by 10, or even 50 points, they have the same chance to score as they did when they started the game.
My point here is, in 2 out of 3 games Bisu found himself at a disadvantage early on (failed reaver Game 1, failed 2 shuttle harrass Game 3), and as time went on it became harder and harder for him to overcome that disadvantage because of the nature of the game. That's not necessarily a sign of inferior skill. It simply means Fantasy didn't make a large enough mistake for Bisu to capitalize on it and give himself an opportunity to get himself back into the game.
That's why you need to take every series with a grain of salt. It's why Fantasy *shouldn't* be ranked over Bisu, since he historically has performed poorly in the pro leagues (below .500 average), even in the normal Pro League where matches and maps are decided long in advance, giving players plenty of time to practice. Hey, not only was it long-winded but it was also incorrect. I can think of two major sports right off the top of my head with positive feedback: Baseball and Football. Early edge in runs always gives a pitcher an advantage. He will not be as worried about challenging guys and giving up a lucky home run and will therefore throw more strikes (at least usually). Managers talk about this all the time. Football is the same way. Early touchdown leads allow teams to turn to the running game, eating up clock time and pounding on opposing defenses. Coaches and fans also talk about this all the time. The advantage of the early lead is huge in these two sports, just like Starcraft and make it harder for the other player/team to claw his/their way back. And in all three cases, good opponents usually have a window or two to get back into the game. And yes, with Basketball positive feedback is much less of a factor. You have to repeatedly score due to the shot clock, unless it's the last five minutes and that's usually the only time worth watching anyway 
The positive feedback in baseball is marginal. The psychological factor is very difficult to quantify or account for. Managers also talk about "gut feelings", and if sabermetrics has demonstrated anything, it's that "gut feelings" are more often than not meaningless. The point is in starcraft it's built into the nature of the game. Your point about football is interesting. However, the advantage the leading team has doesn't continually increase over time, or balloon exponentially as an economic advantage in starcraft does. Also, the ball-control methodology's advantages can be reduced by a strong defense (which interestingly is why defensive-oriented teams perform so much better in the playoffs).
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what match is the much v flash? what league, i cant find it on youtube.
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On April 24 2009 21:29 GreEny K wrote:
what match is the much v flash? what league, i cant find it on youtube.
It was in winners league.
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On April 22 2009 03:23 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2009 01:13 Zeridian wrote:
Fantasy was pretty awesome beating jaedong in proleague, game was pretty intense overall. Even if he didn't finish him off in the OSL. Though I wish by.hero took JD out and had a Fantasy by.hero final. Would've been much more interesting to watch imo. Yeah by.hero beeing that smart 9 pool speeds him 3 times in a row and beats fantasy that has 1 marine and a factory building every game by that time :D .But you never know how will all turn out .
except, fantasy can use m&ms.. Rewatch the finals again.
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the next power rank will look so much differently 
its going to be funny when comparing the 2.
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On April 21 2009 11:11 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:Poll: Who is more cocky?( Vote): Bisu ( Vote): Jaedong
Bisu 100%
Jaedong is a Budhist
Bisu is a egotistic
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