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d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
February 02 2009 06:49 GMT
#61
lol.

well fakesteve did say something along those lines when the power rank first came out. that conversation no longer appears to be there... maybe i misread.

and for both you miserable little people: whether a power rank covers two weeks or two months, past performances still maintain an effect. like when Manifesto brings up the stat about Leta in the power rank. and when i'm asking for a "discernible effect", well that's a subjective term, right? You might interpret it as "how much a player dropped". for me, it's "how long did that drop last". For me, a two week drop to number 5 and then an instarise to number 2 is not enough.

and that's just me. much of my judgement depends on my not acknowleding the OSL Wildcard results. Those games shouldn't have happened, and winning against a bunch of second rate baddies while avoiding zergs (yeah, mind is second rate) doesn't mean much to me. neither does his recent PL wins against hyvaa and magma. there's a reason hyvaa doesnt get credit for queens even though he tried using them before jaedong: he sucks.

bisu's failures in pvz in the month of january have got to be acknowledged for more than two weeks. #2 is too high imo
manner
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
February 02 2009 07:10 GMT
#62
I think his fall to 5 last month was more questionable. He should have been at least no3 back than. And Bisu has fallen 4 spots in one day,which is more than rising three in two weeks. Consider that this is the spot Bisu should have been last month.
MadNeSs
Profile Joined March 2007
Denmark1507 Posts
February 02 2009 07:20 GMT
#63
Leta is awesome. He kind of reminds me of nada sometimes.
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 07:30:11
February 02 2009 07:28 GMT
#64
I like your system a lot!

One of the best PR ever!

Thanks Mani!
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
February 02 2009 08:01 GMT
#65
Thanks Mani for getting the PR on time. Sorry Fakesteve but I would love to see Mani do the PR. This with no question the best power rank yet, I looked at the result of the PR and I was like wtf what is the writer smoking, and then I read the beautiful write up and was convinced of everything single thing in it. Sexy PR. Good Job Mani.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
DragoonPK
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
3259 Posts
February 02 2009 08:02 GMT
#66
Loved it manifesto, great work !
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
February 02 2009 08:12 GMT
#67
Great PR mani

+ Show Spoiler +

I would have gladly picked bisu if Vader picked Leta
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
February 02 2009 08:19 GMT
#68
On February 02 2009 14:13 yunicyarblejellythou wrote:
I want to give an example of a situation that might clarify things for a lot of posters on here.

A completely brand new player comes into the Starcraft scene. He has never played a professional game and has no history to speak of. Now he plays in an exclusive invite only tournament .


That would be an interesting set of circumstances to play your first pro games in..

I enjoyed this power rank and the reasoning is pretty easy to follow. I hope that once Flash actually gets a chance to play some games he'll prove that he deserves a higher spot..and it's nice to see the twins up there, I hope they keep doing well because I can't help but love them.
BW forever || Thall
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 02 2009 08:56 GMT
#69
On February 02 2009 15:49 d_so wrote:
lol.

well fakesteve did say something along those lines when the power rank first came out. that conversation no longer appears to be there... maybe i misread.

and for both you miserable little people: whether a power rank covers two weeks or two months, past performances still maintain an effect. like when Manifesto brings up the stat about Leta in the power rank. and when i'm asking for a "discernible effect", well that's a subjective term, right? You might interpret it as "how much a player dropped". for me, it's "how long did that drop last". For me, a two week drop to number 5 and then an instarise to number 2 is not enough.

and that's just me. much of my judgement depends on my not acknowleding the OSL Wildcard results. Those games shouldn't have happened, and winning against a bunch of second rate baddies while avoiding zergs (yeah, mind is second rate) doesn't mean much to me. neither does his recent PL wins against hyvaa and magma. there's a reason hyvaa doesnt get credit for queens even though he tried using them before jaedong: he sucks.

bisu's failures in pvz in the month of january have got to be acknowledged for more than two weeks. #2 is too high imo

hahaha

"Those games shouldn't have happened, so therefore I don't acknowledge that they happened"

Maybe I should convince myself that cars cannot hit me, and then run out into the middle of a highway during rush hour.

You just don't want to accept reality. Bisu is currently peaking his ELO right now. He regained his KeSPA #1 rank. He is favored to win GOM. He is a strong force to be reckoned with in the OSL. He is a threat to nearly every time in PL right now. He is easily one of most dangerous players right now.

You don't think that the OSL Wildcard Tournament should have happened, and so therefore you basically pretend it didn't happen. And even if you are forced to accept it happened, you have to try to discredit it in whatever way you can, like calling people like Mind and Sea "second rate baddies", or "he didn't face any Zergs" (like that would have made a difference, seeing all the Zergs in the wildcard didn't even make it out of round 1). Going 6-0 that one night means nothing, yet losing to by.hero on Tears of the Moon, and losing to Savior on Neo Harmony mean everything.

And you call me a "miserable little person". el oh el.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Tianx
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1196 Posts
February 02 2009 09:10 GMT
#70
Mani, you're awesome and your writeup is awesome.

Thanks especially for getting it out so soon, a very pleasant surprise!
Intrigue: "as i've said to many others your troubles in life may be directly correlated to your dirty protoss icon"
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 02 2009 09:58 GMT
#71
there's not too much to disagree with :S
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
February 02 2009 10:13 GMT
#72
Great Power Rank
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
wAVEland
Profile Joined May 2007
Germany169 Posts
February 02 2009 10:33 GMT
#73
mani knows best, good writeup!
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
February 02 2009 11:08 GMT
#74
Putting a player that has done literally nothing in individual leagues makes my stomach ache.
Don't get me wrong I like the kid and understand the reason for putting him at the top.
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 11:13:20
February 02 2009 11:12 GMT
#75
CJ Vs OGN
+ Show Spoiler +
2009?
The Destroyer for no1 next PR?
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Ichigo1234551
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States649 Posts
February 02 2009 11:28 GMT
#76
On February 02 2009 20:12 samachking wrote:
CJ Vs OGN
+ Show Spoiler +
2009?
The Destroyer for no1 next PR?

its 2009 baby!
I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 2009 OK???????????????
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
February 02 2009 11:33 GMT
#77
lol~ The luxury entry was really cute.
I love the twins. I LOVE THE TWINS!!!!
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
February 02 2009 11:36 GMT
#78
4 zergs in PR!!!
What a happiness!!!!
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
February 02 2009 12:03 GMT
#79
I lol'd at the Luxury writeup.

+ Show Spoiler +

MJY best be on the PR next month. He's raping face. Premature call? Maybe, but I believe.


Good PR overall.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 02 2009 12:47 GMT
#80
On February 02 2009 14:10 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2009 13:25 Sentenal wrote:
On February 02 2009 13:07 d_so wrote:
i agree with anytime.

and totally disagree with bisu. guy has done nothing but lose and got lucky to be in osl (didnt face z). he has become the face of pvz ineptitude, losing against savior, zero, hero twice, luxury all within three weeks.

and that leads to number 2 and a plus 3 rise? sorry yo but that makes no sense

Being invincible PvP and PvT, going 6-0 all in the same night, and again reaching his ELO peak. Does that not make sense? I mean, he lost on Neo Harmony and Tears of the Moon. Both maps are abominations. And Lux 5pooled him. And all of that equals him being inept at PvZ? He didn't look inept at PvZ vs Estro yesterday.

I mean, the guy is about to win GOM, and is probably one of the favorites to win the OSL. Yeah, that means hes bad and slumping. Great logic.

Maps work both ways (Medusa).
Last night Bisu vs Hyvaa, bisu was seriously behind after the attack on the nat since hyvaa adjusted his 3 hatch timing to counter the 2archon push, however, he made many mistakes to give away the game (not saying that Bisu played badly).
1) He neglected to burrow three lurkers during the attack on his nat and
2) he let 10 hydras get stormed, literally, they stood under the storm the entire time, allowing Bisu to take down his third before his zealots finished it off.
Obviously, it's more that zergs have figured out the appropriate counters on the right maps but since we'll be playing on the same maps, Bisu will continue to have trouble with his PvZ against competent zergs. (his OSL group).

His other MUs are invincible, but his PvZ will remain inconsistent during this phase of the metagame until he changes his playstyle or go back to heavy reaver/sair style. My opinion of course.

lol? Bisu was in no way behind after the attack on the natural, the game was pretty much even by then, and 30sec later he takes out hyvvas 3rd and I agree hyvva should have microed his hydras better to avoid storms, but there was no way he could save that expo, bisu could have just kept on focus firing and killing it while he was dodging the storm.

Now I had a hard time seeing the upgrades but to me it looked like Bisu was at 2+ wep when hyvva was still at 0-0-0 (could have had +1 missile but like I said hard to see @ youtube) And even with 2bases vs 3bases and 5hatches P still have a fair chance with good upgrades to take down a hydra\lurk army, especially this game where hyvva was never able to get up a large number of hydras and with an economy constantly suffering (he lost lots of drones on that attack at the natural, late 3rd, constantly having to sink all his money into units etc) and as seen in the game Bisu already had another army ready that he used to take down his 3rd after the "failed" natural attack. The last battle perfectly showed how a good mixed and upgraded P army just rolls a hydra\lurk army (unless they have superior numbers and good flanking)

So using this game as an example of Bisu not playing good PvZ is just stupid, when he was never in any danger of losing the game throughout the entire game.
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