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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 09 2008 14:05 Avidkeystamper wrote: Well, Jaedong was a ZvP God. He's still capable of dishing out the ownage (G2 vs Hero Gom). Yeah I know, I think all of us can agree Jaedong has the best ZvP, but that doesn't mean he's a god at it. He _was_ a god at it, but not now. It's been rather shaky. Still, only the top Protoss can beat him in a series. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
IMO, even with the current drops of leagues by Jaedong he'll be at #2-#4 JUST BECAUSE HES A ZERG | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On November 09 2008 12:25 Februarys wrote: OneOther, there is no point in discussions with you. You always try to insult others while ignoring all the comments that are directed to you. What makes it worse is that, you're an actual TL staff and your cussing behavior makes you seem like a new TL member that just joined a week ago well, i don`t wanna be a bitch, but he is half true. I asked OneOther 2 questions, and got ignored  , JD ...we have to face it...free deserves to be above him | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 09 2008 15:31 Jaeden wrote: well, i don`t wanna be a bitch, but he is half true. I asked OneOther 2 questions, and got ignored , JD ...we have to face it...free deserves to be above himok but seriously now, I have a question for OneOther: u say that JD`s ZvT is inconsistent and Stork's PvZ is strong. But tell me this : How many Ts are favorites against JD in a Bo5 , and how many Zs are favorites against Stork in a Bo5 ? (and it`s not even a balanced question, coz there are waaaay more terrans than zergs) and imHo, Free's PvZ > Stork's PvZ I did answer your questions. I said earlier that forGG is favored against Jaedong, and that JD/July were favored against Stork. (I don't think so anymore. 50-50 JD vs Stork) I didn't directly address your question because it's completely irrelevant. "Inconsistent" means the player loses games that he's favored in. Therefore, it doesn't matter who's favored against who. I did state the favorites earlier in the thread though. Lastly, I never tried to make Stork's PvZ anything special. Yeah? | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On November 09 2008 11:07 disciple wrote: JD sucks, just admit it this is the one who`s biased imho  | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
What can be concluded is that Stork's PvZ is good and solid, and JD is no longer godmode versus protoss. I still would bet on JD, cuz i'm his fan, and he didn't look bad at all, moreover he looked unbeatable in game 1, he wasnt outplayed/owned, he certanly can beat Stork, but he can loose the series too. I dont know how can you argue abut this so much. More important, when will the new PR be released? FS said 3 days, that expired yesterday i think. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + EDIT:YEEEEEEHHHAAAAA,Luxury beat Stork,good fucking job Lux! | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 09 2008 19:14 Darth Peter wrote: Jaedong is clearly underperforming right now. You can speculate forever about stuff like who would be the favourite,what would happen and find excuses to the loss of Jaedong. Saying right now that JD would beat Stork if they met again is unjustified. No matter that he lost by stupid mistakes,he still lost. No matter if somebody cheeses another player 15 times in a row,if he can do it and win,he has to be considered a good player. I am a blinded fanboy of Jaedong and a sworn hater of Stork,especially that he alone manhandled my favourite team. People,like myself speculated that if Stork faces Best,he will be owned. He was not. People said,he would choke again in the finals. He did not. People said,Jaedong would still beat him. He did not. And saying that Stork did not deserve the OSL because he didn't play zergs right after he beat the best zerg in the world is really a stupidity. Words can't justify how much I hate Stork,but he is undoubtedly the best player in the world right now,and even I have to agree,that Jaedong is nowhere near that level right now. Excellent post. Februarys if you are out there somewhere, please read this. On November 09 2008 17:54 Geo.Rion wrote: What can be concluded is that Stork's PvZ is good and solid, and JD is no longer godmode versus protoss. I still would bet on JD, cuz i'm his fan, and he didn't look bad at all, moreover he looked unbeatable in game 1, he wasnt outplayed/owned, he certanly can beat Stork, but he can loose the series too. I dont know how can you argue abut this so much. This too. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3468 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 1 stork: this is protoss!!! yes hes on fire 2 bisu: as good as n1 but he still have to do something more to be 1. that being said his game has reached a new peak, his pvt is on top form and his pvz is da best in da wold. time to check his pvp again. 3 jaedong: omg no free? (see free below), i still cant see someone under jaedong being better overall. (and i see myself as a protoss biased fan) 4 best: hes so solid and thats his strenght, but thats his weak point too, because his solid game is based on standar builds and that makes him predictable. Best needs to evolve, taking more risks in 1 v 1 series or he will never see a starleague title (just as n1 before), he has to use the standars in pl and sharp his pvz. 5 free: i know, i have to argue about this. I just love this guy but, the fact is that he has just being free, just like sea is sometimes sea. He is a monster on pl, he is a monster at pvt and pvz (his pvp is not yet tested by the top p), but how many times has this being different? what would you say now if jaedong 2-1 free?? i have to say that best doesnt look better than free right now but he still looks more consistent to me, because free is just in *that* moment that can burst him to number 3/2 or send him back to be free. I just cant wait to see bisu-free. 6 flash: where are you? we need you... stop kicking fantasys ass and come to save us from never ending pvps. 7 jangbi: poor boy, 3 months ago he should have been top 5 at this same level, but look how many protoss are there playing better than him right now. 8 fantasy: he got silver. i dont think he played bad in fact he took the series to a 5 game that gives him this spot, but he is soo bad on pl, i dont have faith on him. I keep what i thought like 3 weeks ago, -overated after his win on ggplay meh.- 9 forgg: proleague only and some memories about a guy that was good at macro is what i have. still he is like 25% of lecaf so i guess he deserve this spot 10 calm: i was going to give this spot to ggplay but his game against mind on gomtv was... no words, and calm lost too but 1-2 to the best pvz in the world and HE DIDNT LOOK RAPED so that plus a very good pl record gives him this spot. close but no cigar -NO i dont see how kal can be top 10 => poor in pl, eliminated by effort 0-2 on osl getting lucky against stork and his road on msl. look at kal vs iris and the rest of the games, this guy is still on msl but i havent seen good play from him. -PUSAN!! no more protoss please.. but you are on your way back spirit toss. -hwasin-fbh-yarnc: actually not close not cigar THESE SUCK ATM -luxury: so bad performance on individual leagues. -saint: bisus old 2v2 partner has learned to 1v1 and is doing well on pl maybe we´ll see him on a future starleague | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
EDIT: well, at least we`ve got another JD vs Free match if they both win in Ro32, awesome :> EDIT2: oh but I hope I`m wrong, and savior beats free, AGAIN  | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
He's won his last 6 PL games, as well as beating Fantasy 2-0 this morning, and Fantasy was considered to have great TvT. | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
On November 10 2008 00:36 Pokebunny wrote: What do you guys think about Flash? + Show Spoiler + He's won his last 6 PL games, as well as beating Fantasy 2-0 this morning, and Fantasy was considered to have great TvT. Yeah with a player of Flash's caliber performing this well i would definitely put him in top 5 . | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On November 10 2008 00:48 Darth Peter wrote: I have to admit,Flash is scary again. But he never really did look bad,except in the Starleagues and became a neo Sea by totally owning everybody in PL,but sucking in the MSL and the OSL. Flash is still a top3 material,he just has to prove in the Starleagues again. But this applies to Jaedong too. He didn't even make it into OSL, he sucked in MSL and well, he have been quite good in PL (but worse than Flash). How come Jaedong don't have to prove he is top 3 material again? I can't see any logic behind placing Jaedong in top 3 or 4 and Flash on 6th or worse place. They should be next to each other...I would even put Flash one place before Jaedong and have a good sleep about that. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 10 2008 01:17 adelarge wrote: But this applies to Jaedong too. He didn't even make it into OSL, he sucked in MSL and well, he have been quite good in PL (but worse than Flash). How come Jaedong don't have to prove he is top 3 material again? I can't see any logic behind placing Jaedong in top 3 or 4 and Flash on 6th or worse place. They should be next to each other...I would even put Flash one place before Jaedong and have a good sleep about that. FLash didn't achieve anything for quite some time, JD meantime won the GOM finals against FLash 3-0 and the WCG Korea. 2 recent golden medals, while Flash got a silver. Now bothare out from leagues, but JDs great achievements happened more recently. And dont forget, they last game was won by JD. Don't tell me it's only because Flash gone 14 CC, and JD 9pool, if JD would have played standard Flash would have won it. Damn, no! If JD goes 2 hatch before pool every game or will got crushed right than or wins later, now woudnt that be JD's fault if he looses to a rush when he gone duble hatch. Of course it would, that's why JD doesnt go for that | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
anyway this PR is a tossup. and stork #1?! ![[image loading]](http://sc.replays.hu/modules/news/images/tossgirl1.jpg) for #1 PR + Show Spoiler + stork showed us that he still wants more silvers | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On November 10 2008 01:38 Geo.Rion wrote: FLash didn't achieve anything for quite some time, JD meantime won the GOM finals against FLash 3-0 and the WCG Korea. 2 recent golden medals, while Flash got a silver. Now bothare out from leagues, but JDs great achievements happened more recently. Then what about ForGG? Winner of last MSL? ForGG is still a great player and yet he is sitting on 9th place and it seems nobody has problem with that. He won last MSL (big achivement like Jaedong recent good results), he didn't make it into OSL (like Jaedong) and he got kicked from MSL the exact round like Jaedong...and finally, he is doing really good in PL, like...you know who. You either count past achivements and in that case, why the hell is ForGG 8 places behind Jaedong??, or you don't and then JD shouldn't be ahead of Flash. And if you are listing WCG Korea or GOM in JD's favor, you should also take into consideration how early he got knocked from OSL..that shouldn't happend to anyone who wants to be in top 3. And yet, JD is happily sitting on 1st place. And edit to your edit The one win doesn't matter much. I remember Mind raping Jaedong two times in PL in straight-up games in span of cca two weeks and he didn't even make it to CNBC. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against JD. And I don't care if he is one place above Flash in next PR or something like that. I just find totally ridicilous placing JD in top 3 and Flash in bottom 5... | ||
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