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TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
January 03 2008 03:28 GMT
#61
So its OSL finals/Survivor fail vs stellar Proleague preformance/3-0 raping of Bisu. I will agree that the first outweighs the secong but the bottom line is that Stork is in better shape than Bisu despite those losses. Bisu is entering a slump and in January he will fail even more. Nobody can be dominating forever.

Btw, TLPD is not that relevant but check the recent preformance of the two players. Stork is 11-6 in Dec and Bisu is 3-6.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20664 Posts
January 03 2008 03:46 GMT
#62
On January 03 2008 12:25 LegendaryDreams wrote:
you're pretty biased with sea ...


Expect bias in the PowerRank.

It'd be no fun if the PowerRank was entirely objective.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 03 2008 03:58 GMT
#63
On January 03 2008 12:28 TheTyranid wrote:
So its OSL finals/Survivor fail vs stellar Proleague preformance/3-0 raping of Bisu. I will agree that the first outweighs the secong but the bottom line is that Stork is in better shape than Bisu despite those losses. Bisu is entering a slump and in January he will fail even more. Nobody can be dominating forever.

Btw, TLPD is not that relevant but check the recent preformance of the two players. Stork is 11-6 in Dec and Bisu is 3-6.


we're in a transition period where both leagues are starting up again. Bisu is above Stork right now because Stork blew his load in the semifinal yet again. Stork's abysmal play towards the end of the month puts him below Bisu, who placed top 3 in both leagues, but above everyone else. Third place on the power rank isn't bad and some people are acting like being third after Bisu is the same as being tenth after nine people.

Bisu's PvP and PvT are still excellent. Stork's are certainly better, but his PvZ is at a level that hinders him in a big way. Any strong Zerg in a Starleague and Stork is probably done, that's a massive handicap. Bisu is more likely to win PvT and PvP series than Stork is to win a PvZ series, and Bisu's likeliness to win a PvZ series trumps anything Stork can do.

You people need to remember that Bisu's PvT and PvP are THE BEST AFTER STORK, and Stork's PvZ is one of the worst in ProGaming.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 03 2008 04:38 GMT
#64
On January 03 2008 12:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2008 12:28 TheTyranid wrote:
So its OSL finals/Survivor fail vs stellar Proleague preformance/3-0 raping of Bisu. I will agree that the first outweighs the secong but the bottom line is that Stork is in better shape than Bisu despite those losses. Bisu is entering a slump and in January he will fail even more. Nobody can be dominating forever.

Btw, TLPD is not that relevant but check the recent preformance of the two players. Stork is 11-6 in Dec and Bisu is 3-6.


we're in a transition period where both leagues are starting up again. Bisu is above Stork right now because Stork blew his load in the semifinal yet again. Stork's abysmal play towards the end of the month puts him below Bisu, who placed top 3 in both leagues, but above everyone else. Third place on the power rank isn't bad and some people are acting like being third after Bisu is the same as being tenth after nine people.

Bisu's PvP and PvT are still excellent. Stork's are certainly better, but his PvZ is at a level that hinders him in a big way. Any strong Zerg in a Starleague and Stork is probably done, that's a massive handicap. Bisu is more likely to win PvT and PvP series than Stork is to win a PvZ series, and Bisu's likeliness to win a PvZ series trumps anything Stork can do.

You people need to remember that Bisu's PvT and PvP are THE BEST AFTER STORK, and Stork's PvZ is one of the worst in ProGaming.


I'd just like to emphasize this, as in the OSL 3rd Place match thread I had a hard time convincing some chobos that UpMagiC taking two games off of Bisu in a bo5 was quite a feat.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 03 2008 04:41 GMT
#65
That was a feat, if you saw how exhausted UpMagic was (moreso than usual!) when he played Sea, you understand the preparation he put into his series against Bisu.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
January 03 2008 04:53 GMT
#66
On January 03 2008 08:38 SuperJongMan wrote:
lol, fuck Light.
...

Fuck Light. Lee Jae Ho.. Yoohs a hoooo


YES! FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH ME. :D

.... *ahem* awesome PR FS. although i'm a bit sad that savior dropped a whole lot.

imo, drop light, put xellos at 9, and find someone else for 10.
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-03 04:58:16
January 03 2008 04:56 GMT
#67
On January 03 2008 12:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2008 12:28 TheTyranid wrote:
So its OSL finals/Survivor fail vs stellar Proleague preformance/3-0 raping of Bisu. I will agree that the first outweighs the secong but the bottom line is that Stork is in better shape than Bisu despite those losses. Bisu is entering a slump and in January he will fail even more. Nobody can be dominating forever.

Btw, TLPD is not that relevant but check the recent preformance of the two players. Stork is 11-6 in Dec and Bisu is 3-6.


we're in a transition period where both leagues are starting up again. Bisu is above Stork right now because Stork blew his load in the semifinal yet again. Stork's abysmal play towards the end of the month puts him below Bisu, who placed top 3 in both leagues, but above everyone else. Third place on the power rank isn't bad and some people are acting like being third after Bisu is the same as being tenth after nine people.

Bisu's PvP and PvT are still excellent. Stork's are certainly better, but his PvZ is at a level that hinders him in a big way. Any strong Zerg in a Starleague and Stork is probably done, that's a massive handicap. Bisu is more likely to win PvT and PvP series than Stork is to win a PvZ series, and Bisu's likeliness to win a PvZ series trumps anything Stork can do.

You people need to remember that Bisu's PvT and PvP are THE BEST AFTER STORK, and Stork's PvZ is one of the worst in ProGaming.


Isn't Bisu 56% pvp and PvT this year? How is that THE BEST AFTER STORK?
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
January 03 2008 04:57 GMT
#68
lol @ FS's deft picking apart of criticisms... I think the Power Rank is really spot on. It IS tough to call when some players aren't playing that much.. Except... that Much.... har har har sorry.
aka Moletrap
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-03 04:58:46
January 03 2008 04:57 GMT
#69
Hm. The fact that Bisu was apparently ill for some of this month is worth noting when we go a-speculatin on his chances of 'slumping'. It doesn't' change the fact that Jaedong was clearly the top player though, it merely implies the fight for the top slot between Stork/Bisu/Jaedong isn't nearly as clear-cut as those statements imply. (which is only a good thing, as far as I am concerned.)

Also Stevestevesteve, Promise me you'll do a "RUUUUUUBYYYY ^_____^" when he manages to earn a place on the power rank. Please.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 03 2008 04:59 GMT
#70
What the hell?

someone explain how light, who has done practically nothing worthwhile this month snuck onto the power rank.


lame.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
January 03 2008 05:03 GMT
#71
On January 03 2008 08:38 SuperJongMan wrote:

Fuck Light. Lee Jae Ho.. Yoohs a hoooo


Can I sig this SuperJong?
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 03 2008 05:04 GMT
#72
On January 03 2008 13:56 hacpee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2008 12:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 03 2008 12:28 TheTyranid wrote:
So its OSL finals/Survivor fail vs stellar Proleague preformance/3-0 raping of Bisu. I will agree that the first outweighs the secong but the bottom line is that Stork is in better shape than Bisu despite those losses. Bisu is entering a slump and in January he will fail even more. Nobody can be dominating forever.

Btw, TLPD is not that relevant but check the recent preformance of the two players. Stork is 11-6 in Dec and Bisu is 3-6.


we're in a transition period where both leagues are starting up again. Bisu is above Stork right now because Stork blew his load in the semifinal yet again. Stork's abysmal play towards the end of the month puts him below Bisu, who placed top 3 in both leagues, but above everyone else. Third place on the power rank isn't bad and some people are acting like being third after Bisu is the same as being tenth after nine people.

Bisu's PvP and PvT are still excellent. Stork's are certainly better, but his PvZ is at a level that hinders him in a big way. Any strong Zerg in a Starleague and Stork is probably done, that's a massive handicap. Bisu is more likely to win PvT and PvP series than Stork is to win a PvZ series, and Bisu's likeliness to win a PvZ series trumps anything Stork can do.

You people need to remember that Bisu's PvT and PvP are THE BEST AFTER STORK, and Stork's PvZ is one of the worst in ProGaming.


Isn't Bisu 56% pvp and PvT this year? How is that THE BEST AFTER STORK?


Please look past hard statistics. Bisu has a lot of losses because he is prone to do wierd things in ProLeague that don't work. In more important games his PvT play is excellent; sometimes he pulls out wins that look utterly impossible a moment before (IE, his series against Hwasin this past MSL).

PvP... PvP is so build-order intensive at times that its hard to judge a player's abilities by his winrate. In fact, it's hard to judge a player in any manner by his PvP, unless you have personally seen so many games that you can get an idea of it. I will concede that Bisu's PvP is somewhat on-and-off, but EVERY Protoss' PvP is on-and-off. Stork, certainly less so, but Stork's PvZ is permanently set to 'off'.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 03 2008 05:06 GMT
#73
On January 03 2008 13:59 fusionsdf wrote:
What the hell?

someone explain how light, who has done practically nothing worthwhile this month snuck onto the power rank.


lame.


he was on there last month for playing well in the early stages of MSL and OSL, and since there's not really anything to work with this month I just moved the people who needed to move, and Light ended up in spot 9. Seems fine to me, I can't just drop a strong player because he hasnt been getting proleague games for one month. If Light fails to do anything in the upcoming OSL/MSL seasons, then he'll get the boot.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 03 2008 05:21 GMT
#74
On January 03 2008 14:03 goldenkrnboi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2008 08:38 SuperJongMan wrote:

Fuck Light. Lee Jae Ho.. Yoohs a hoooo


Can I sig this SuperJong?


DO IT
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-03 05:25:30
January 03 2008 05:24 GMT
#75
You can't keep hammering Stork's PvZ and continue to shine on Jaedong's ZvP. Either Stork has respectable PvZ (in which you can still maintain that Bisu is #2 ahead of Stork, since I'd agree that they're about even on PvP, maybe Bisu slight edge, Stork maybe slight edge on PvT, but Bisu's demonstrated superiority at PvZ trumps both of those) or Jaedong's ZvP isn't that impressive after all if Stork's PvZ is "one of the worst in ProGaming", as you so boldly state, in which case either of the Protosses deserve the top spot.

What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
January 03 2008 05:39 GMT
#76
On January 03 2008 14:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2008 13:59 fusionsdf wrote:
What the hell?

someone explain how light, who has done practically nothing worthwhile this month snuck onto the power rank.


lame.


he was on there last month for playing well in the early stages of MSL and OSL, and since there's not really anything to work with this month I just moved the people who needed to move, and Light ended up in spot 9. Seems fine to me, I can't just drop a strong player because he hasnt been getting proleague games for one month. If Light fails to do anything in the upcoming OSL/MSL seasons, then he'll get the boot.



yeah, but you have players like light and much who barely win half their games on the list, and anytime and luxury and other players hovering around 60-65% this month dont even make it.

I mean I would understand if light had done something important in the individual leagues this month, but he hasnt.

I mean I know this is controversial, but darkelf has a better record the last two months (3-0 in december) and light got his wins against odin and gorush, not exactly top level players.

815 is 4-1 in december with wins over xellos and sea, kal is 5-2 with a 5 game win streak in december, I mean hell, even chalrenge has a better record in december.

If light isnt doing anything in individual league, and nothing in proleague, I dont see how he should make the list.

Much and sea have at least a bit of an excuse. Light doesnt have any.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
kramus
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1259 Posts
January 03 2008 05:47 GMT
#77
Ruby is starting to look like a very strong player. I expect him to grace this list in a few months.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 03 2008 06:04 GMT
#78
I hope Sea wins the MSL and OSL so all the "OMG, you're biased with Sea!" wankers will shut up. If you think he isn't capable of doing just that, you need to watch some more games. That is all.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
January 03 2008 06:06 GMT
#79
Wow, I didn't realize this was the first PR Xellos has been on

hopefully not his last
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10830 Posts
January 03 2008 06:22 GMT
#80
On January 03 2008 15:04 zer0das wrote:
I hope Sea wins the MSL and OSL so all the "OMG, you're biased with Sea!" wankers will shut up. If you think he isn't capable of doing just that, you need to watch some more games. That is all.
no one should be on the power rank for being "capable" of winning an individual league. if that was a case you could add on another 15 or so other names.

what matters is results, both in terms of raw results and results relative to other top gamers that month.
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