On January 03 2008 10:30 koryano321 wrote: ughhh i just dont understand why sea is so damn high T____T he lost his osc against much, and still has yet to advance newhere in individual leagues... sure he is doing good in proleague, but so are many other ppl who are also in either the osl or msl..... no matter how much savior has dropped, you know he will advance farther than sea in both leagues -_-;
Here's an easy answer for you: Watch the games. Maybe then you'll understand.
All of Savior's recent games have been ugly as hell (compared to his past form). Sea, even though he just barely lost the OSC to Much, has showed very solid play in game after game throughout the whole month.
Hm, I can't fault this rank at all. Stork blew his chances at being the top, as he always does. nevertheless, both Bisu and Stork are going to have to start showing results again if they want to take the number one slot. I'm certain Bisu will, because it was obvious being sick affected his play and he still managed good placements in both leagues. I suppose Stork will be the same, he's a little train engine of good placements, even if he fucks up the finals.
On January 03 2008 09:30 TheTyranid wrote: Stork should be above Bisu. You know, there is this wonderful thing called Proleague. . .
And besides that, Bisu looked very weak in the OSL. I saw his series vs. Stork. It was honestly the most one-sided rape I have ever seen. Stork raped Bisu. Bisu did beat Upmagic but he still looked shaky in that series; let's not consider the fact that Up is not the best of Terrans.
Yes Stork is out of MSL but as was previously stated it was a worthy sacrifice for his OSL run. Bottom line is that Stork has a better chance of winning against a Terran or Protoss than Bisu. I believe he is in better shape overall.
A sacrifice for his OSL run? Stork got 2nd place in OSL and didn't place in MSL. In that same OSL, Bisu got 3rd place, and in the same MSL Stork didn't place in, Bisu got 2nd place. If these are the things you focus on why the HELL would you put Stork over Bisu?
Stork may have slightly better PvP and PvT, but he fucks up when it matters and he played like ASS against Jaedong and during his Survivor group. I don't care whether you think Stork has "two matchups to Bisu's one" or any other garbage that people try to say. Stork played like shit for the last two weeks of the month and Bisu placed top 3 in both leagues.
I wasn't focusing on that. What I would want to focus on is PROLEAGUE. Yes Stork did choke but with Proleague in the picture Stork has a legitimate reason for being 2'nd place.
On January 03 2008 10:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: No, he doesn't. Having a good record in a six month long season and playing good right now are not the same thing.
i think you put too much faith in sea and much and way too little in savior although he has done badly in the proleague, he is still the maestro also stork got kicked out of the msl by ruby and luxury.
mind beat clon sangho free and mingu mind lost to haran free and luxury thats pretty much the definition of mediocrity and certainly not enough to push him up a slot. in fact, an msl champion should play like a champion, without losing to 2nd tier players
also bisu recently lost to ggplay who hasnt been good since like 2006. if bisu starts getting dominated by zergs, its over for him
On January 03 2008 10:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: No, he doesn't. Having a good record in a six month long season and playing good right now are not the same thing.
poor up he went from being in the semi finals in the osl to losing 0-3 to the 3rd/4th playoffs, then 2-3 to the OSC semis, then 1-2 to ODT and 1-2 into the offlines
On January 03 2008 11:08 kpcrew(Gg) wrote: i think you put too much faith in sea and much and way too little in savior although he has done badly in the proleague, he is still the maestro
savior hasn't been the maestro (dumbest nickname ever, btw) since bisu slammed him down in GomTV S1
savior is only ranked as high as he is in the power rank because of what he used to be. he's doing poorly in everything at the moment and you want him ranked even higher?
On January 03 2008 11:08 kpcrew(Gg) wrote: i think you put too much faith in sea and much and way too little in savior although he has done badly in the proleague, he is still the maestro also stork got kicked out of the msl by ruby and luxury.
mind beat clon sangho free and mingu mind lost to haran free and luxury thats pretty much the definition of mediocrity and certainly not enough to push him up a slot. in fact, an msl champion should play like a champion, without losing to 2nd tier players
also bisu recently lost to ggplay who hasnt been good since like 2006. if bisu starts getting dominated by zergs, its over for him
I think you put too much weight on the reputation of a player and not their ability to win games. Sea and Much are playing better than Savior is right now, Savior is getting wrecked by every Terran he plays and he looks terrible doing it. Even when he wins he looks like an awful player these days.
No shit Stork lost to Ruby and Luxury. Why are you bringing that up?
Mind's games are just fucking one-off ProLeague games. They don't say much about a player's abilities. For that matter, he's won more than he's lost. Haran/free/Luxury are all good enough to take a game now and then from ANYONE. Again, these games don't matter much.
Bisu is going to lose a PvZ now and then. He will never ever win every PvZ he ever plays. Even as good as he is right now. If you think one single game against GGPlay is a case for an anti-Bisu statement then you're out of your mind.
On January 03 2008 11:18 SoMuchBetter wrote: poor up he went from being in the semi finals in the osl to losing 0-3 to the 3rd/4th playoffs, then 2-3 to the OSC semis, then 1-2 to ODT and 1-2 into the offlines
On January 03 2008 11:18 SoMuchBetter wrote: poor up he went from being in the semi finals in the osl to losing 0-3 to the 3rd/4th playoffs, then 2-3 to the OSC semis, then 1-2 to ODT and 1-2 into the offlines
On January 03 2008 06:23 3 Lions wrote: if nada wins his group for ODT and MSL, he should be in top 10 for feb
Surely it takes more than that to qualify for Power Rank? Nostalgia aside, Nada hasn't exactly been a win factory lately, or even a source of impressive play.
On January 03 2008 11:08 kpcrew(Gg) wrote: i think you put too much faith in sea and much and way too little in savior although he has done badly in the proleague, he is still the maestro also stork got kicked out of the msl by ruby and luxury.
mind beat clon sangho free and mingu mind lost to haran free and luxury thats pretty much the definition of mediocrity and certainly not enough to push him up a slot. in fact, an msl champion should play like a champion, without losing to 2nd tier players
also bisu recently lost to ggplay who hasnt been good since like 2006. if bisu starts getting dominated by zergs, its over for him
I think you put too much weight on the reputation of a player and not their ability to win games. Sea and Much are playing better than Savior is right now, Savior is getting wrecked by every Terran he plays and he looks terrible doing it. Even when he wins he looks like an awful player these days.
No shit Stork lost to Ruby and Luxury. Why are you bringing that up?
Mind's games are just fucking one-off ProLeague games. They don't say much about a player's abilities. For that matter, he's won more than he's lost. Haran/free/Luxury are all good enough to take a game now and then from ANYONE. Again, these games don't matter much.
Bisu is going to lose a PvZ now and then. He will never ever win every PvZ he ever plays. Even as good as he is right now. If you think one single game against GGPlay is a case for an anti-Bisu statement then you're out of your mind.
some of the power rank defenses can be toned down ;/
Terrible play vs Jaedong and his Survivor group. If you think ProLeague is as important as that, you're nuts.
This keeps getting repeated as a reason why Stork is "weak." Let's put Bisu, who is supposedly stronger, into this sentence. This last December, Bisu is 3-6, and recently lost 1-3 to Mind. So...
Terrible play vs Mind and even worse play against Stork. Proleague isn't even supposed to be important, but Bisu still went ahead and lost to Hiya, some no-name Terran, anyway.
Stork's loss against Jaedong is about as bad as Bisu's loss to Mind. But Stork brutally raped Bisu 3-0. Bisu couldn't do anything in those games, he just showed up for the loses. They are not "close" in terms of PvP or PvT.
Bisu's only wins this month comes from an average TvP'er in UpMagic, and it was a close 3-2 series.
You know, UpMagic lost 0-3 to Jaedong too. Aside from that, he has had some mediocre victories. Which makes him much like Bisu, why isn't he #2 for PR?
On January 03 2008 11:08 kpcrew(Gg) wrote: i think you put too much faith in sea and much and way too little in savior although he has done badly in the proleague, he is still the maestro also stork got kicked out of the msl by ruby and luxury.
mind beat clon sangho free and mingu mind lost to haran free and luxury thats pretty much the definition of mediocrity and certainly not enough to push him up a slot. in fact, an msl champion should play like a champion, without losing to 2nd tier players
also bisu recently lost to ggplay who hasnt been good since like 2006. if bisu starts getting dominated by zergs, its over for him
I think you put too much weight on the reputation of a player and not their ability to win games. Sea and Much are playing better than Savior is right now, Savior is getting wrecked by every Terran he plays and he looks terrible doing it. Even when he wins he looks like an awful player these days.
No shit Stork lost to Ruby and Luxury. Why are you bringing that up?
Mind's games are just fucking one-off ProLeague games. They don't say much about a player's abilities. For that matter, he's won more than he's lost. Haran/free/Luxury are all good enough to take a game now and then from ANYONE. Again, these games don't matter much.
Bisu is going to lose a PvZ now and then. He will never ever win every PvZ he ever plays. Even as good as he is right now. If you think one single game against GGPlay is a case for an anti-Bisu statement then you're out of your mind.
some of the power rank defenses can be toned down ;/
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