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On November 01 2013 07:28 for_the_swarm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 06:49 lyxarn wrote:On November 01 2013 04:13 TaishiCi wrote:On November 01 2013 00:39 lyxarn wrote:On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon
it is supposed to be top 16 world This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16. Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/ I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/ Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...) That and the way the kid acts... I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go . when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won) guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year. Wich is wrong. Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on... Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim? If you can't understand how Rain and Life is a bigger contender for the top player in the world there is no reasoning with you. I don't know about ForGG and Roro, but Trap is definitely a bigger contender than Naniwa. This is not about being the better contender. Then take the top 16 from the latest season 3 and put them in the finals. Players fall off and few top players are able to maintain their skill for even half a year. Where was Dear season 1? He wasn't there. He got his first points (25) in season 2. And I imagine someone did the same only in season 1 and fell off in season 3. You will not have the best players at wcs grand finals. Though you will have 16 more or less consistent players. My original question was why Rain, Life and Trap are more deserving than Naniwa? Look at life's record. He is clearly better than Naniwa and it showed at IEM NY. He won pretty easily and the only time naniwa put up a fight was when life was messing around and manner hatching. its also a lot easier to be "consistent" outside of korea. Do you think players like duckduck, MC, Alive, Hero would be just as consistent if they stayed in Korea? lol they wouldnt be anywhere near top 16 and definitely woulnt make it to blizzcon.. the TRULY top 16 players in the world are all from Code S.
I agree that the best 16 players are more or less from Code S. But the region system and the point system made sure there wont be the top 16 players. I guess we shouldn't debate why KR players are more deserving when they're not even in the same region as Nani.
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It should be a good game.... I'm excited to watch it 
On November 01 2013 22:06 Seiju wrote:
It could not be more simple: one of the two contenders got there through free points, the other has not.
So now it is unfair for both of them. Dismissing Revival on the spot would make no sense, and Naniwa is doomed to deploy his best PvZ tactics in front of the current #1 player to stay alive.
gg IEM & WCS
It's really not that apocalyptic, and no one got 'free points'.
Revival got an invite to IEM because neither Nerchio or Grubby could afford to fly themselves out (since ForGG's ticket had been bought already). Revival was then chosen based on WCS rankings, and he played well.
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On November 01 2013 23:44 tili wrote:It should be a good game.... I'm excited to watch it Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 22:06 Seiju wrote:
It could not be more simple: one of the two contenders got there through free points, the other has not.
So now it is unfair for both of them. Dismissing Revival on the spot would make no sense, and Naniwa is doomed to deploy his best PvZ tactics in front of the current #1 player to stay alive.
gg IEM & WCS It's really not that apocalyptic, and no one got 'free points'. Revival got an invite to IEM because neither Nerchio or Grubby could afford to fly themselves out (since ForGG's ticket had been bought already). Revival was then chosen based on WCS rankings, and he played well.
Neither Nerchio or Grubby were even asked about it, according to them. IEM didn't even try.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Naniwa bias is hilarious. Either for him or against him, very few people seem to be indifferent when it comes to the guy.
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So much naniwa hate... I hope he wins the whole thing then gives everyone the finger and brings out a 30 page binder with all the names of all the haters calling them out name by name.
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Does not matter who wins between them. Soulkey will stomp them.
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Well Revival tied. This should prove to be a good series.
And also, cut it out with the whole "free points" argument. Each player played for their points, nobody was just awarded them for no reason. So many people biased for or against Naniwa...is nobody a middle grounder?
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On November 03 2013 04:16 Redrot wrote:
Well Revival tied. This should prove to be a good series.
And also, cut it out with the whole "free points" argument. Each player played for their points, nobody was just awarded them for no reason. So many people biased for or against Naniwa...is nobody a middle grounder?
I'm neither here nor there for Naniwa but it would be nice for a foreigner to be in the finals so I'm rooting for him in this tournament.
Then again I'm a person who gets bored watching the mindless "real-top16-codeS" korean players and prefer watching players who have personality(and or controversial ones) that have the skill to back it up which are so far and few inbetween nowadays. Which is also why I don't watch starcraft all that much anymore.
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On November 03 2013 07:55 nakedsurfer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 04:16 Redrot wrote:
Well Revival tied. This should prove to be a good series.
And also, cut it out with the whole "free points" argument. Each player played for their points, nobody was just awarded them for no reason. So many people biased for or against Naniwa...is nobody a middle grounder? I'm neither here nor there for Naniwa but it would be nice for a foreigner to be in the finals so I'm rooting for him in this tournament. Then again I'm a person who gets bored watching the mindless "real-top16-codeS" korean players and prefer watching players who have personality(and or controversial ones) that have the skill to back it up which are so far and few inbetween nowadays. Which is also why I don't watch starcraft all that much anymore.
so much ignorance...
Read up on duckdeok's story, MC's legacy, Keen's celebrations, Mvp's strategy... ect ect ect
If you like eSports you can't escape Korean dominance.
Unless you run away to Dota 2, where Koreans haven't been able to play until recently.
Give that 1-2 more years, it will be bunch of ROFL stomps as worse as BW days.
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whats the point of an all korean GLOBAL finals? it's literally a joke
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United States2233 Posts
On November 02 2013 07:40 Zealously wrote:
Naniwa bias is hilarious. Either for him or against him, very few people seem to be indifferent when it comes to the guy.
Guess I am one of the few that is indifferent then. He's a good SC2 player, but his personality is about as dividing as IdrA's.
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Naniwa is a better player, problem is he will have to reveal his PvZ for Soulkey, so while he most likely to beat Revival, it's already a tough task without Soulkey seeing ur bo5 PvZ day before a match. Will be really tough for Naniwa, and it's kind of unfair.
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On November 05 2013 07:28 Sakkreth wrote:
Naniwa is a better player, problem is he will have to reveal his PvZ for Soulkey, so while he most likely to beat Revival, it's already a tough task without Soulkey seeing ur bo5 PvZ day before a match. Will be really tough for Naniwa, and it's kind of unfair.
Unfortunate for him, maybe. Definitely not unfair...
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