• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:16
CEST 22:16
KST 05:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results0Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026 SC2 INu's Battles#16 <BO.9> Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light vespene.gg — BW replays in browser BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion (Spoiler) Interview ASL Ro4 Day 2 Winner
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2035 users

Do you want Revival to tie NaNiwa for 16th place? - Page 3

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
October 31 2013 13:44 GMT
#41
Sure why not. More games and Naniwa can just send him packing himself. :D
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
October 31 2013 15:37 GMT
#42
I'll offer $500 to whoever votes for not wanting to see Revival at Blizzcon
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
lyxarn
Profile Joined April 2013
Sweden65 Posts
October 31 2013 15:39 GMT
#43
On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16.

Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/

I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/


Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...)
That and the way the kid acts...
I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go
.

when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player

you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won)

guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD


That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year.
Wich is wrong.
Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on...


Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim?
"Dota isn't about kills, Dota isn't about gold either. Dota is about winning and taking down the opponents throne." - Loda -
Stolker
Profile Joined March 2013
United States96 Posts
October 31 2013 18:29 GMT
#44
What's the point. Soulkey is the next opponent
Krymming
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden38 Posts
October 31 2013 18:33 GMT
#45
I dont have anything againt Revival as a player, but since he got extra WCS points for getting invited to IEM and dropping out kinda makes it "unfair"
No excuses, play like a champion
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
October 31 2013 19:13 GMT
#46
On November 01 2013 00:39 lyxarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:
On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16.

Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/

I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/


Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...)
That and the way the kid acts...
I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go
.

when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player

you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won)

guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD


That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year.
Wich is wrong.
Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on...


Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim?


If you can't understand how Rain and Life is a bigger contender for the top player in the world there is no reasoning with you.
I don't know about ForGG and Roro, but Trap is definitely a bigger contender than Naniwa.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
Deadlyeye
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany14 Posts
October 31 2013 20:02 GMT
#47
the wcs system, due to invited season1 and the fact that not everyone in the wcs ranking gets an invite to all wcs-point events, next to the issue that not everyone can afford to travel to each of them makes the 'best 16 players over the year' discussion a little off.
if nani stays on 16th place he deserves to got, because he made enough points out of his chances. sure, dear just needed one codeS and a seasonfinal to get in top 16 (so he had a awsome month) but naniwa got consistent points over 3 seasons, no big 1th places but steady points.
if revival gets the 16th place it just states that the whole wcs system (at least the 'w') is a waste blizz could just had 3 times a korean event per season^^
if the american and european 'seats' are all taken by the koreans that can afford to compete in different regions it just cuts off the better, but not that good payed, other koreans. and if we get a regionlock we cut off better players for diversity.
monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
October 31 2013 20:15 GMT
#48
naniwa has anyways no chance in blizzcon :D
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
October 31 2013 21:31 GMT
#49
Yes please I dont want too see Naniwa play at all
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
October 31 2013 21:45 GMT
#50
naniiiiiiiiiiiiii
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
lyxarn
Profile Joined April 2013
Sweden65 Posts
October 31 2013 21:49 GMT
#51
On November 01 2013 04:13 TaishiCi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:39 lyxarn wrote:
On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:
On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16.

Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/

I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/


Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...)
That and the way the kid acts...
I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go
.

when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player

you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won)

guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD


That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year.
Wich is wrong.
Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on...


Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim?


If you can't understand how Rain and Life is a bigger contender for the top player in the world there is no reasoning with you.
I don't know about ForGG and Roro, but Trap is definitely a bigger contender than Naniwa.


This is not about being the better contender. Then take the top 16 from the latest season 3 and put them in the finals. Players fall off and few top players are able to maintain their skill for even half a year. Where was Dear season 1? He wasn't there. He got his first points (25) in season 2. And I imagine someone did the same only in season 1 and fell off in season 3. You will not have the best players at wcs grand finals. Though you will have 16 more or less consistent players. My original question was why Rain, Life and Trap are more deserving than Naniwa?
"Dota isn't about kills, Dota isn't about gold either. Dota is about winning and taking down the opponents throne." - Loda -
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
October 31 2013 21:56 GMT
#52
Yes because that would be an exciting tie-breaker right before the real show starts.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
for_the_swarm
Profile Joined September 2013
United States48 Posts
October 31 2013 22:14 GMT
#53
On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


In that case it should be 16 players from WCS Korea. The foreign koreans got points outside of korea. They also got stomped by Code S players in Season 3 finals.
for_the_swarm
Profile Joined September 2013
United States48 Posts
October 31 2013 22:28 GMT
#54
On November 01 2013 06:49 lyxarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 04:13 TaishiCi wrote:
On November 01 2013 00:39 lyxarn wrote:
On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:
On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16.

Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/

I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/


Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...)
That and the way the kid acts...
I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go
.

when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player

you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won)

guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD


That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year.
Wich is wrong.
Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on...


Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim?


If you can't understand how Rain and Life is a bigger contender for the top player in the world there is no reasoning with you.
I don't know about ForGG and Roro, but Trap is definitely a bigger contender than Naniwa.


This is not about being the better contender. Then take the top 16 from the latest season 3 and put them in the finals. Players fall off and few top players are able to maintain their skill for even half a year. Where was Dear season 1? He wasn't there. He got his first points (25) in season 2. And I imagine someone did the same only in season 1 and fell off in season 3. You will not have the best players at wcs grand finals. Though you will have 16 more or less consistent players. My original question was why Rain, Life and Trap are more deserving than Naniwa?


Look at life's record. He is clearly better than Naniwa and it showed at IEM NY. He won pretty easily and the only time naniwa put up a fight was when life was messing around and manner hatching.

its also a lot easier to be "consistent" outside of korea. Do you think players like duckduck, MC, Alive, Hero would be just as consistent if they stayed in Korea? lol they wouldnt be anywhere near top 16 and definitely woulnt make it to blizzcon.. the TRULY top 16 players in the world are all from Code S.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
October 31 2013 23:39 GMT
#55
I need naniwa to go to to blizzcon and win blizzcon.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
November 01 2013 00:26 GMT
#56
Meh, couldn't care less about naniwa.. seems like an a-hole.. although, more foreigners would be nice.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
wishr
Profile Joined February 2012
Russian Federation262 Posts
November 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#57
On October 31 2013 22:12 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 20:12 wishr wrote:
Hope Nani would loose and rage as he always do
I feel him like Idra and other negative attitudes - pretty annoying.

Yeah of course, Naniwa rages ALL THE TIME. This is probably the most silly thing in all of esports; the hater-conjured rage-image of Naniwa.. If we could remove one thing from the world, this insanity would be it.

Im fully relaxed bro. Just dont like him and his behavior at all, and obviously, "for the swarm!" ^^
* Only girls complain about balance! *
LeviathanDK
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark87 Posts
November 01 2013 05:46 GMT
#58
corrupt system! Revival got more WCS event points so by the rules no tiebreaker is played and Revival gets the last spot
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 01 2013 10:32 GMT
#59
this poll = marketing strategy for the team EG/Alliance :D
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Seiju
Profile Joined July 2013
Hong Kong23 Posts
November 01 2013 13:06 GMT
#60
It could not be more simple: one of the two contenders got there through free points, the other has not.

So now it is unfair for both of them. Dismissing Revival on the spot would make no sense, and Naniwa is doomed to deploy his best PvZ tactics in front of the current #1 player to stay alive.

gg IEM & WCS
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 516
IndyStarCraft 109
JuggernautJason58
CosmosSc2 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 19675
Calm 2378
ggaemo 164
firebathero 110
NaDa 5
Last 0
Dota 2
Gorgc8803
monkeys_forever206
League of Legends
Doublelift3580
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2214
fl0m2115
Fnx 1761
allub422
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu389
Other Games
Grubby5276
FrodaN1566
Liquid`RaSZi1491
B2W.Neo456
C9.Mang0221
Hui .187
KnowMe158
ArmadaUGS111
UpATreeSC101
Mew2King88
mouzStarbuck47
Livibee46
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 19
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 25
• Reevou 5
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 32
• HerbMon 14
• FirePhoenix12
• Michael_bg 8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota253
Other Games
• imaqtpie1194
• Shiphtur299
• WagamamaTV186
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 44m
RSL Revival
13h 44m
Classic vs Solar
herO vs SHIN
OSC
16h 44m
Big Brain Bouts
19h 44m
sebesdes vs Iba
Percival vs YoungYakov
Reynor vs GgMaChine
Korean StarCraft League
1d 6h
RSL Revival
1d 13h
Clem vs Rogue
Bunny vs Lambo
IPSL
1d 19h
Dewalt vs nOmaD
Ret vs Cross
BSL
1d 22h
Bonyth vs Doodle
Dewalt vs TerrOr
GSL
2 days
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
2 days
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-13
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W7
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.