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Do you want Revival to tie NaNiwa for 16th place? - Page 3

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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
October 31 2013 13:44 GMT
#41
Sure why not. More games and Naniwa can just send him packing himself. :D
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
October 31 2013 15:37 GMT
#42
I'll offer $500 to whoever votes for not wanting to see Revival at Blizzcon
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
lyxarn
Profile Joined April 2013
Sweden65 Posts
October 31 2013 15:39 GMT
#43
On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:
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On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:
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On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:
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On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16.

Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/

I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/


Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...)
That and the way the kid acts...
I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go
.

when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player

you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won)

guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD


That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year.
Wich is wrong.
Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on...


Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim?
"Dota isn't about kills, Dota isn't about gold either. Dota is about winning and taking down the opponents throne." - Loda -
Stolker
Profile Joined March 2013
United States96 Posts
October 31 2013 18:29 GMT
#44
What's the point. Soulkey is the next opponent
Krymming
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden38 Posts
October 31 2013 18:33 GMT
#45
I dont have anything againt Revival as a player, but since he got extra WCS points for getting invited to IEM and dropping out kinda makes it "unfair"
No excuses, play like a champion
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
October 31 2013 19:13 GMT
#46
On November 01 2013 00:39 lyxarn wrote:
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On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:
On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:
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On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:
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On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16.

Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/

I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/


Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...)
That and the way the kid acts...
I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go
.

when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player

you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won)

guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD


That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year.
Wich is wrong.
Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on...


Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim?


If you can't understand how Rain and Life is a bigger contender for the top player in the world there is no reasoning with you.
I don't know about ForGG and Roro, but Trap is definitely a bigger contender than Naniwa.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
Deadlyeye
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany14 Posts
October 31 2013 20:02 GMT
#47
the wcs system, due to invited season1 and the fact that not everyone in the wcs ranking gets an invite to all wcs-point events, next to the issue that not everyone can afford to travel to each of them makes the 'best 16 players over the year' discussion a little off.
if nani stays on 16th place he deserves to got, because he made enough points out of his chances. sure, dear just needed one codeS and a seasonfinal to get in top 16 (so he had a awsome month) but naniwa got consistent points over 3 seasons, no big 1th places but steady points.
if revival gets the 16th place it just states that the whole wcs system (at least the 'w') is a waste blizz could just had 3 times a korean event per season^^
if the american and european 'seats' are all taken by the koreans that can afford to compete in different regions it just cuts off the better, but not that good payed, other koreans. and if we get a regionlock we cut off better players for diversity.
monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
October 31 2013 20:15 GMT
#48
naniwa has anyways no chance in blizzcon :D
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
October 31 2013 21:31 GMT
#49
Yes please I dont want too see Naniwa play at all
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
October 31 2013 21:45 GMT
#50
naniiiiiiiiiiiiii
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
lyxarn
Profile Joined April 2013
Sweden65 Posts
October 31 2013 21:49 GMT
#51
On November 01 2013 04:13 TaishiCi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 00:39 lyxarn wrote:
On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:
On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16.

Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/

I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/


Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...)
That and the way the kid acts...
I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go
.

when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player

you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won)

guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD


That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year.
Wich is wrong.
Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on...


Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim?


If you can't understand how Rain and Life is a bigger contender for the top player in the world there is no reasoning with you.
I don't know about ForGG and Roro, but Trap is definitely a bigger contender than Naniwa.


This is not about being the better contender. Then take the top 16 from the latest season 3 and put them in the finals. Players fall off and few top players are able to maintain their skill for even half a year. Where was Dear season 1? He wasn't there. He got his first points (25) in season 2. And I imagine someone did the same only in season 1 and fell off in season 3. You will not have the best players at wcs grand finals. Though you will have 16 more or less consistent players. My original question was why Rain, Life and Trap are more deserving than Naniwa?
"Dota isn't about kills, Dota isn't about gold either. Dota is about winning and taking down the opponents throne." - Loda -
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
October 31 2013 21:56 GMT
#52
Yes because that would be an exciting tie-breaker right before the real show starts.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
for_the_swarm
Profile Joined September 2013
United States48 Posts
October 31 2013 22:14 GMT
#53
On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


In that case it should be 16 players from WCS Korea. The foreign koreans got points outside of korea. They also got stomped by Code S players in Season 3 finals.
for_the_swarm
Profile Joined September 2013
United States48 Posts
October 31 2013 22:28 GMT
#54
On November 01 2013 06:49 lyxarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2013 04:13 TaishiCi wrote:
On November 01 2013 00:39 lyxarn wrote:
On October 31 2013 19:55 HellNino wrote:
On October 31 2013 15:56 Drake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 06:55 HellNino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 06:08 DinoMight wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 31 2013 01:24 HellNino wrote:
i want naniwa to miss blizzcon

it is supposed to be top 16 world


This is dumb. Naniwa has shown he clearly belongs in the top 16.

Revival on the other hand has gotten some free points here and there to help him :/

I wouldn't oppose a tie-breaker so much if Nani's next opponent wasn't Soulkey, another Zerg he will Bo5 :/


Sorry to think a lot of players are more top 16 worthy than naniwa, and don't go to blizzcon. (forGG, rain, life, and so on...)
That and the way the kid acts...
I guess i'm just the bitter guy here, but still i'd rather see Revival go
.

when in 1 year, 3 big wcs events, hscups, iems etc etc etc you are top16 and another is not you are the BETTER tournament player

you can argue that in 1-2 tournaments someone was unlucky or had better enemys but if you tell me over 1 year forgg was just not as lucky ??? especially seeing naniwa beating forgg in some events (yaeh he also lost but the most importent ones he won)

guys plz ... when after 1 year and many tournaments someone is ahead of someone else he was better in the whole of the year PERIOD


That is true, if you admit all the players had the same amount of opporunities to get those sweet WCS points in the year.
Wich is wrong.
Plus you just bounce on forGG but what about Life, Rain, Roro, and so on...


Why would they be more deserving? Nani's case is already clear. He made enough points. ForGG, Rain, Life and Roro didn't so whats their claim?


If you can't understand how Rain and Life is a bigger contender for the top player in the world there is no reasoning with you.
I don't know about ForGG and Roro, but Trap is definitely a bigger contender than Naniwa.


This is not about being the better contender. Then take the top 16 from the latest season 3 and put them in the finals. Players fall off and few top players are able to maintain their skill for even half a year. Where was Dear season 1? He wasn't there. He got his first points (25) in season 2. And I imagine someone did the same only in season 1 and fell off in season 3. You will not have the best players at wcs grand finals. Though you will have 16 more or less consistent players. My original question was why Rain, Life and Trap are more deserving than Naniwa?


Look at life's record. He is clearly better than Naniwa and it showed at IEM NY. He won pretty easily and the only time naniwa put up a fight was when life was messing around and manner hatching.

its also a lot easier to be "consistent" outside of korea. Do you think players like duckduck, MC, Alive, Hero would be just as consistent if they stayed in Korea? lol they wouldnt be anywhere near top 16 and definitely woulnt make it to blizzcon.. the TRULY top 16 players in the world are all from Code S.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
October 31 2013 23:39 GMT
#55
I need naniwa to go to to blizzcon and win blizzcon.
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
November 01 2013 00:26 GMT
#56
Meh, couldn't care less about naniwa.. seems like an a-hole.. although, more foreigners would be nice.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
wishr
Profile Joined February 2012
Russian Federation262 Posts
November 01 2013 04:46 GMT
#57
On October 31 2013 22:12 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 20:12 wishr wrote:
Hope Nani would loose and rage as he always do
I feel him like Idra and other negative attitudes - pretty annoying.

Yeah of course, Naniwa rages ALL THE TIME. This is probably the most silly thing in all of esports; the hater-conjured rage-image of Naniwa.. If we could remove one thing from the world, this insanity would be it.

Im fully relaxed bro. Just dont like him and his behavior at all, and obviously, "for the swarm!" ^^
* Only girls complain about balance! *
LeviathanDK
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark87 Posts
November 01 2013 05:46 GMT
#58
corrupt system! Revival got more WCS event points so by the rules no tiebreaker is played and Revival gets the last spot
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 01 2013 10:32 GMT
#59
this poll = marketing strategy for the team EG/Alliance :D
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Seiju
Profile Joined July 2013
Hong Kong23 Posts
November 01 2013 13:06 GMT
#60
It could not be more simple: one of the two contenders got there through free points, the other has not.

So now it is unfair for both of them. Dismissing Revival on the spot would make no sense, and Naniwa is doomed to deploy his best PvZ tactics in front of the current #1 player to stay alive.

gg IEM & WCS
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