EPTPower Rank 09/18/2011 - Page 8
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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RBorin
United States40 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:14 Ermac wrote: Isn't it kind of a contradiction to say JangBi beat Fantasy in "highly convincing fashion" and then go on to say that Fantasy pushed JangBi to his absolute limit? Not really. Fantasy brought his A-game, but Jangbi responded well to everything that was thrown at him with cool professionalism, which led to a convincing victory even in the face of adversity. There have been games when one player completely dominated the other despite bringing very mediocre play to the game simply because the other player was performing even worse that day. I wouldn't consider those games "convincing victories" even if they were one-sided. | ||
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Amarxist
United States371 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:36 Malinor wrote: Yeah, Fantasy is such a horrible player. And Jangbi played not well to. Beating the two top best TvPers in series back to back is only because they both played terrible, all the other protosses can do it to, as you could easily see during the last couple of years. Your analysis of Jangbi's games in this OSL (this very OSL with 2 protoss in total) actually annoys the hell out of me. I can hardly wait for your recap of the finals. You are just searching for flaws and you will of course again find plenty of them, I am sure. Forgive him. He's British. Brits are good at everything, you know. With the exception of cooking and StarCraft offcourse  Edit: maybe Midian had some skill ;P | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
On September 21 2011 11:07 RBorin wrote: Not really. Fantasy brought his A-game, but Jangbi responded well to everything that was thrown at him with cool professionalism, which led to a convincing victory even in the face of adversity. There have been games when one player completely dominated the other despite bringing very mediocre play to the game simply because the other player was performing even worse that day. I wouldn't consider those games "convincing victories" even if they were one-sided. Well, according to KwarK, Jangbi "barely beat a terrible Fantasy". As far as I know he's one of the most knowledgeable persons on this site in terms of strategy, game/player analysis, etc. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
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icclown
Denmark270 Posts
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:40 Taekwon wrote: On that note, where are the previous prs? www.teamliquid.net/powerrank | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On September 21 2011 18:04 hitthat wrote: Forgive him. He's British. Brits are good at everything, you know. With the exception of cooking and StarCraft offcourse Edit: maybe Midian had some skill ;P why was jesus not born in poland? + Show Spoiler + because they couldn't find three wise men fantasy had a whole extra week to practice, help from his coaches and SKT protosses and fucking imba strategies, and STILL lost. he's fucking terrible | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On September 21 2011 18:24 Ermac wrote: Well, according to KwarK, Jangbi "barely beat a terrible Fantasy". As far as I know he's one of the most knowledgeable persons on this site in terms of strategy, game/player analysis, etc. Look, different people have different opinions. For example, the post-match grades from FOMOS for Fantasy was B+, A+, B+, A, A. For Jangbi A+, B, A+, B, S. The people giving out these grades are not exactly noobs either. | ||
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Jongl0
631 Posts
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
On September 22 2011 00:43 saltywet wrote: fantasy had a whole extra week to practice, help from his coaches and SKT protosses and fucking imba strategies, and STILL lost. he's fucking terrible There's no way a "fucking terrible" player has an OSL win and three silvers. That's ridiculous on the face of it. Even more, with slightly better luck fantasy could very well have four golds: I mean, what kind of terrible draw is it to have to play Stork, Jaedong, Stork, Jangbi, even in a final? Sure, Flash has a golden mouse: yes, he beat Stork and Jaedong - but his second medal came against Movie, and he lost to Effort. (Was Flash "terrible" when he screwed that series up? Mindgamed, yes; therefore outplayed, yes; terrible? No.) Jaedong has a golden mouse: yes he beat Stork and fantasy, but his third gold came against a clearly outmatched Yarnc. July has a golden mouse - against Reach, Goodfriend, and BeSt, and he lost to Nada and oov. So yeah. fantasy's OSL record stacks up favorably against all of those, except of course that he doesn't actually have the titles to show for his level of accomplishment. Sure: fantasy could have played better. On the other hand, since he took the series to five games, he obviously "could have" won, but he didn't. Was his decision-making perfect? No - but neither was Jangbi's (or he wouldn't have lost two games). In fact, nobody's perfect. But was fantasy playing at a ggaemo or Jaehoon fail-level (with apologies to both of those players who have dramatically improved)? No, no, no. I don't understand all the fantasy hate. He's not Flash, but nobody is, and Jangbi beat Flash too. fantasy's the 2nd best TvP by reputation and ELO; in the other matchups he's 4th TvZ ELO (after Flash, Light, and Leta) and he wrecked Hydra; in TvT ELO he's 3rd after Flash and Sea. fantasy obviously screwed up the series in that he didn't win, but I don't think any other Terran would have taken Jangbi to five games. Or is it actually Jangbi hate that's reflecting onto fantasy because he's the handy scapegoat for losing? Because that, really, makes even less sense. Jangbi didn't play a perfect game either, but he won what he had to win all the way, and Game 5 was a decisive refutation of fantasy's play. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Since July was brought up, I feel inclined to point out that while July in his prime won 2 OSL's and got 2 silvers, both wins being tense 3-2's and both losses being humiliating 3-0's. And he was the great Zerg hope. His fans called him "bonjwa" long before the BW community as a whole accepted the term. (Although the BW community as a whole does not consider him bonjwa and never did.) Of course his 3rd OSL win came years later and he played well there, but that is a different story -- one I have discussed at length in the past. Fantasy and Jangbi both had solid, solid OSL runs. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Basically Fantasy kicks ass and whatever crazy fail moments he has, he more than makes up for them by being awesome the rest of the time. And nobody --- I mean nobody --- plays as entertaining a Bo5 as Fantasy. GGPlay vs Fantasy --- eye-opening series Stork vs Fantasy, Incruit 2008 --- edge of seat series Fantasy vs Bisu --- eye-opening series Jaedong vs Fantasy, the first time --- edge of fucking seat, man. Jaedong vs Fantasy, the second time --- more edge of seat Fantasy vs Flash --- out of this world amazing series Fantasy vs Hydra --- very entertaining, mostly I remember G1 as being the ballsiest sunken break of all time Fantasy vs Jangbi --- two words: NAIL BITER See a trend? Fantasy plays the most entertaining Bo5's of any progamer, hands down. Especially when he just barely loses  | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Fantasy spends a lot more of his energy on his vulture control and honestly it shows. His vulture use is better than Flash's unquestionably. I strongly feel that anyone thinking otherwise is not watching Starcraft. Unfortunately Fantasy will sometimes slip in his macro and/or miss a supply depot while he's controlling vultures. Flash would rather have them do little damage so long as he keeps his macro up. Flash uses them completely differently. Sometimes you'll see a lone vulture scout a position and it's amazing the way the moment he sees units with it he instantaneously responds and it runs away, sometimes only getting hit once or twice, but let's be real... how many units does Flash normally kill with vulture harassment? Sometimes a lot, but usually it's his push that's the real danger. Fantasy wreaks havoc with his vultures, but sometimes it's just not enough havoc. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
Yes, he lost to JangBi after winning the first set in a best of three. However, had he won I definitely think that regardless of his hand injury, Flash would have taken yet another OSL. no, just no. think back to the insane trainwreck of a series that was the bigfile msl semifinals between fantasy and flash. think back to their ridiculous proleague match in i think round 2 or 3 of this pl season. account for fantasy's incredible ability to drag out games. there is absolutely no chance in hell that flash could have won a tvt bo5 against fantasy with an injured wrist. fanta would simply have had to drag out the first 2 games and flash's wrist would have prevented him from playing at any level that comes even remotely close to fanta's. flash is clearly the superior of the 2 players, but fantasy has shown again and again that he pushes flash to the limit if he is prepared. with an injured arm, flash would simply not be able to go to this limit. | ||
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