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GinDo
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On August 04 2011 07:57 mholden02 wrote: YES. Korean vs Korean may very well bring the highest quality play, but I lost the emotional investment I had in a tourny like MLG-Columbus where EVERY match I was emotionally pumped to watch. When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. Yes, you should be honored that they grace us with their presence. Koreans played professional Starcraft for a decade and most fans never thought they would be able to see them on their home soil playing Starcraft live. We were there because we want to tell them that we appreciate what they do and what they've done. If I was an American soccer fan, would I be honored if the Brazilians came to US soil to play soccer? Hell yes I would be. For fucks sake, you even saw European basketball teams asking for autographs when Team USA went to play on their home turf. You don't like it that you're "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans"? On teamliquid? Seriously? And "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament." REALLY? Seriously, GTFO and take your opinions to a different community please. We don't want you here. This is teamliquid. We don't speak Korean. We don't speak English. We speak Starcraft you fucking asshole. I'm sorry, but I can't wait to see a different game come out so some of you xenophobic motherfuckers can stop posting here. You want to watch people you can "relate to"? It's called IPL. Go watch that. Here's the live event | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
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montysaurus
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Slike
Greece127 Posts
On August 04 2011 13:04 PHC wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2011 07:57 mholden02 wrote: YES. Korean vs Korean may very well bring the highest quality play, but I lost the emotional investment I had in a tourny like MLG-Columbus where EVERY match I was emotionally pumped to watch. When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. Yes, you should be honored that they grace us with their presence. Koreans played professional Starcraft for a decade and most fans never thought they would be able to see them on their home soil playing Starcraft live. We were there because we want to tell them that we appreciate what they do and what they've done. If I was an American soccer fan, would I be honored if the Brazilians came to US soil to play soccer? Hell yes I would be. For fucks sake, you even saw European basketball teams asking for autographs when Team USA went to play on their home turf. You don't like it that you're "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans"? On teamliquid? Seriously? And "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament." REALLY? Seriously, GTFO and take your opinions to a different community please. We don't want you here. This is teamliquid. We don't speak Korean. We don't speak English. We speak Starcraft you fucking asshole. I'm sorry, but I can't wait to see a different game come out so some of you xenophobic motherfuckers can stop posting here. You want to watch people you can "relate to"? It's called IPL. Go watch that. Here's the live event You know this is really starting to get old. First of all you insult the guy who voiced his oppinion and in no way talked down on you or anyone and then you use "we" as in you represent the whole community. Well you dont , this isnt "your" community. You cant tell anyone to move to a different forum and you certainly have no fucking right to call people names cause you feel like it... Its nice to see deals being closed with koreans moving in foreigner tournaments , same with foreigners given a chance in GSL. I feel happy for the fact I can actually get to see them play. But feel HONORED that they GRACE us with their presence? Cmon , they re just some guys playing starcraft - very good starcraft - but still some guys playing starcraft. (edit) Take this example . I love watching basketball. The team I support , even though one of the best in europe , is no match even to a mediocre NBA team. I like to watch the NBA but its aired on weird times , 3 am ++ in my country , just like MLG  . When the team i support plays , even if its an unimportant match and even if I have something to do (study, go out etc) , I wont miss it for the world. On the contrary , I miss most of the NBA matches because of lack of interest and weird time schedules. NBA still has higher quality basketball and is probably better to watch , but I wont cancel any plans to sit down and watch an NBA game between 2 teams I dont really care about...Point is , this is a dicussion , and people have different oppinions. While some like to watch koreans more than anything some dont feel interested in them. Why is that every time someone expresses that hell breaks loose? | ||
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Dreadski
United States27 Posts
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CatNzHat
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StutteR
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CosmicHippo
United States547 Posts
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Therg
Sweden238 Posts
On August 04 2011 14:31 StutteR wrote: Honestly, i was just diisappointed that it was both KvK and TvT. How many KvK TvTs have we seen?! Agreed. Sure, the games were good, but I would've liked a bit more diversity. Even a FvK TvT would have made it slightly more interesting for me. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On August 04 2011 13:29 Slike wrote: You know this is really starting to get old. First of all you insult the guy who voiced his oppinion and in no way talked down on you or anyone and then you use "we" as in you represent the whole community. Well you dont , this isnt "your" community. You cant tell anyone to move to a different forum and you certainly have no fucking right to call people names cause you feel like it... Its nice to see deals being closed with koreans moving in foreigner tournaments , same with foreigners given a chance in GSL. I feel happy for the fact I can actually get to see them play. But feel HONORED that they GRACE us with their presence? Cmon , they re just some guys playing starcraft - very good starcraft - but still some guys playing starcraft. (edit) Take this example . I love watching basketball. The team I support , even though one of the best in europe , is no match even to a mediocre NBA team. I like to watch the NBA but its aired on weird times , 3 am ++ in my country , just like MLG . When the team i support plays , even if its an unimportant match and even if I have something to do (study, go out etc) , I wont miss it for the world. On the contrary , I miss most of the NBA matches because of lack of interest and weird time schedules. NBA still has higher quality basketball and is probably better to watch , but I wont cancel any plans to sit down and watch an NBA game between 2 teams I dont really care about...Point is , this is a dicussion , and people have different oppinions. While some like to watch koreans more than anything some dont feel interested in them. Why is that every time someone expresses that hell breaks loose? That's fair if you don't feel that way, but the "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" part is inexcusable. Don't even try to defend that arrogant tone of entitlement. He made a fucked up statement, I called him out on it. That's great you watch your local European basketball, and I get that analogy. But once you follow up and say "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Americans" in in a forum rich with history of American basketball, and say something along the lines of "Americans should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" don't expect people to let it slide. It's xenophobic and has an undertone of racism. | ||
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Trozz
Canada3454 Posts
Saw most, but missed the finals. Soooo much Terraning. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On August 04 2011 15:02 PHC wrote: That's fair if you don't feel that way, but the "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" part is inexcusable. Don't even try to defend that arrogant tone of entitlement. He made a fucked up statement, I called him out on it. That's great you watch your local European basketball, and I get that analogy. But once you follow up and say "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Americans" in in a forum rich with history of American basketball, and say something along the lines of "Americans should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" don't expect people to let it slide. It's xenophobic and has an undertone of racism. dude PHC... you were way out of line. Your post is unreadable due to tone etc and you come off ass a biggoted jerk. Everything you said has now been voided due to the fact that you are apparently a prick to people with differing opinions. Someday maybe you'll find that offering an opinion in a well thought out polite way will get you a lot farther in life. | ||
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mholden02
387 Posts
On August 04 2011 15:02 PHC wrote: That's fair if you don't feel that way, but the "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" part is inexcusable. Don't even try to defend that arrogant tone of entitlement. He made a fucked up statement, I called him out on it. That's great you watch your local European basketball, and I get that analogy. But once you follow up and say "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Americans" in in a forum rich with history of American basketball, and say something along the lines of "Americans should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" don't expect people to let it slide. It's xenophobic and has an undertone of racism. What are you talking about? xenophobic and racist? OK. Yes, they should feel honored MLG decided to open up their tournament and allow 4 Korean players directly into pool play without going through the open bracket like EVERYONE else. I don't see Europeans or Americas, or for that matter anyone else getting a deal like that. its a sweet deal. Seriously, GTFO and take your opinions to a different community please. We don't want you here. This is teamliquid. We don't speak Korean. We don't speak English. We speak Starcraft you fucking asshole. I'm sorry, but I can't wait to see a different game come out so some of you xenophobic motherfuckers can stop posting here. You want to watch people you can "relate to"? It's called IPL. Go watch that. Here's the live event My opinion is as valid as yours, but I don't react like a child. I don't idolize starcraft players, and the attitude that we should feel honored that Koreans grace us with their presence is a bit hard to swallow. Please spare me. Its like saying countries that host pro basketball tournaments should be honored the Americans come to their event. Thats ridiculous. The Korean involvement makes the tournament better no doubt, makes it more international, and a higher caliber play. But players like Thorzain - probably the best Terran outside Korea - doesn't bother coming cause he didn't get an all expenses paid trip to MLG Pool play. I would have really liked to see him - as would a lot of fans I'd bet. WhiteRa, a starcraft Legend in his own right, has to go through open bracket, what a bummer. Dimaga? Morrow? HasuObs? Kas? Many Europeans who have more fans in NA than the Koreans, and are certainly deserving - get no free pass. Yes, the Koreans should feel honored they get an all expense paid trip to MLG pool play that nobody else gets. Whats your argument, that their entitled to get preferential treatment over EVERYBODY else in the world? I'd like to see something in Europe that allowed worthy Euro players to get something similar to the Korean deal, and even an international online tournament to give the same opportunity to players from other countries like Sen, or Loner, or whoever. Lets make MLG a truly international event with the hope of getting ALL the best players from around the globe. But this idea that because Koreans are currently better than everyone else they're a higher class citizen or something, I don't get that. And don't give me the "You hate Koreans" Nonsense. They're great, just no better than anyone else. | ||
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Tosho
Australia498 Posts
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FlameoN
Netherlands16 Posts
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Dectilon
Sweden50 Posts
On August 04 2011 19:16 Tosho wrote: Nationality doesn't matter, game play 100%. If we 'foreigners' can't match them then we don't deserve to be in the finals. This is true. I'm just sad this is the case  | ||
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Ullis
Sweden163 Posts
On August 04 2011 20:22 FlameoN wrote: I watched the whole thing till the end and enjoyed it a lot. Cant believe people dont care who wins the tournament because of nationality/race. In my eyes its all about the best player nothing else. Well it's much like any other sport.. If your favorite soccer/basketball/ice hockey/whatever team gets knocked out you loose interest in who wins at the end, don't you(not you as in YOU, but in the general sense)? Or at least have a diminishing interest.. Just because someone preferes watching/cheering for a NA/EU player(s) and loose interest when said player(s) get knocked out doesn't mean they're racist and noone would be called a racist for cheering for their national team in any other competition, so why would they be racist for not cheering for koreans in e-sports? That's how I see it anyway. | ||
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FlameoN
Netherlands16 Posts
On August 04 2011 07:57 mholden02 wrote: YES. Korean vs Korean may very well bring the highest quality play, but I lost the emotional investment I had in a tourny like MLG-Columbus where EVERY match I was emotionally pumped to watch. When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. In my opinion your personal connection should be with the game not with any team/player/race/nationality. The game makes it all fun and the best players give us the show to enjoy. For me the fact that these players happen to be Korean/Terran dont matter at all. If they managed to reach the highest places in the tournament they deserved it. | ||
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FlameoN
Netherlands16 Posts
On August 04 2011 20:50 Ullis wrote: Well it's much like any other sport.. If your favorite soccer/basketball/ice hockey/whatever team gets knocked out you loose interest in who wins at the end, don't you(not you as in YOU, but in the general sense)? Or at least have a diminishing interest.. Just because someone preferes watching/cheering for a NA/EU player(s) and loose interest when said player(s) get knocked out doesn't mean they're racist and noone would be called a racist for cheering for their national team in any other competition, so why would they be racist for not cheering for koreans in e-sports? That's how I see it anyway. I enjoy watching high level play no matter who I root for. Im only interested in the competition not the nationality. Im not saying anyone is a racist but I find it hard to believe that people turn off the stream because there are only Koreans/Terrans left. Enjoying the tournament is to take it to the 1st place no matter what nationality/race. | ||
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