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What if the koreans were Jaedong, Flash, Bisu etc. Would people still get turned off by the lack of foreigners?
Anyways, I voted for "No, I just want to watch the best players". Skill is always more enjoyable than pure fandom. For example, in football I would be very sad after Sweden gets knocked out from the WC but then I would just root for "the best team in my opinion". You don't stop watching because the team/player that you rooted for lost. You continue to watch to see how the tournament unfolds, because you watch the tournament for the tournaments sake right? Not because of a certain player.
But I can see that if your interest in that certain sport/ESPORTS isn't that big, then it is understandable when you stop watching. Because in your case, you watch it for the player.
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TvT is the reason I stopped buying (non-GSTL) GSL tickets.
As for the KvK why would that be a bad thing -..-
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On August 04 2011 21:29 XiGua wrote:
What if the koreans were Jaedong, Flash, Bisu etc. Would people still get turned off by the lack of foreigners?
Yes. 
On August 04 2011 21:29 XiGua wrote:
Anyways, I voted for "No, I just want to watch the best players". Skill is always more enjoyable than pure fandom. For example, in football I would be very sad after Sweden gets knocked out from the WC but then I would just root for "the best team in my opinion". You don't stop watching because the team/player that you rooted for lost. You continue to watch to see how the tournament unfolds, because you watch the tournament for the tournaments sake right? Not because of a certain player.
While I do see your point I dont neccessarily agree. If my team (in this case, also Sweden) would get knocked out of the WC I would probably stop watching it with my mates and maybe have it on in the background and have it as background noise instead. Because even though other teams might be better/more technical/whatever it still would not be the same. (maybe I'd cheer for whoever opposes whoever knocked my team out.  )
On August 04 2011 21:29 XiGua wrote:
But I can see that if your interest in that certain sport/ESPORTS isn't that big, then it is understandable when you stop watching. Because in your case, you watch it for the player.
I think this logic is rather lacking. I have a passion for e-sports and sc2 in general (in fact, at work atm and still caught up in e-sports). But the difference is for me, do I want to spend time watching someone play if I have no emotional investment? No, probably not. I will watch it if I was trying to pick up something from their play etc. but as it was it was a bunch of TvTs and players I had no "relation" to.
While I can appreciate watching tourneys etc for pure skill vs skill it has to be something more to keep me up in the middle of the night watching SC2. And as for all sports, having a favorite team, player, what have you is just a natural part of the sport and it can add that little extra that makes one stay up at night to watch it etc.
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poll is kinda vague. affected in a good way or a bad way?
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On August 03 2011 15:49 Jinsho wrote:
Yes, I was actually. I didn't watch them.
I want to see players I know fight it out in the tournament. Instead their matches don't even matter because 6 absolutely random koreans are getting in and claim the top 6 spots.
I'm not the kind of person that just blindly hangs on to whoever is Nr 1 in the GSL this month, or whoever Artosis thinks is good. And I want to watch the players I personally support, not some random Koreans.
They aren't random Koreans. They are amongst the best in the world. However I do understand your problem with the MLG results. I find it much more fun to watch the foreigners succeed and support them because they are far more personable and interesting overall. The language barrier is one thing, but not enough of the Koreans make an effort to be a personality in the sport. There are few such as MC, but most are quiet and don't say much of anything. Yeah, they are really good, but no fun to support if there's no effort to be a personality in the game.
I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but that's my particular reason for disliking the results.
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I don`t know , isn`t it humiliating by default for us foreigners when these gosu`s enter our tournaments and virtually all make it to the finals ? Other points :
# things get quite predictable
# the black line of difference between ,say, a gsl supertournament and a big foreign event turns grey and eventually fades away. I mean if you lay the semi finals out to someone, he`ll probably think it`s a gsl and not MLG.
# you`re only able to root for your favourite foreigner untill their next matchup is vs a korean player , that`s a really sad recurring theme ( Huk , Ret, Slush, Naniwa) .
But hey, respectz to the better players, they won fair and square
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It did affect me slightly.
It was almost 5AM before the finals started, and I decided to go to sleep when MMA beat Boxer in the semis. (Boxer obviously doesn't fit into 'Korean' category because he's the creator of the universe.)
However, I could see myself staying up for 4-5 of my favourite foreigners.
But for me it's not so much about Koreans not having 'a story', but rather admitting that they're dominant, so my favorite matches are Korea vs Foreigners, not Foreigner vs Foreigner. So once the Foreigners lost, there was no longer David vs Goliath, but a Goliath mirror match.
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On August 04 2011 13:04 PHC wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 04 2011 07:57 mholden02 wrote:YES. Korean vs Korean may very well bring the highest quality play, but I lost the emotional investment I had in a tourny like MLG-Columbus where EVERY match I was emotionally pumped to watch. When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. Yes, you should be honored that they grace us with their presence. Koreans played professional Starcraft for a decade and most fans never thought they would be able to see them on their home soil playing Starcraft live. We were there because we want to tell them that we appreciate what they do and what they've done. If I was an American soccer fan, would I be honored if the Brazilians came to US soil to play soccer? Hell yes I would be. For fucks sake, you even saw European basketball teams asking for autographs when Team USA went to play on their home turf. You don't like it that you're "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans"? On teamliquid? Seriously? And " they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament." REALLY? Seriously, GTFO and take your opinions to a different community please. We don't want you here. This is teamliquid. We don't speak Korean. We don't speak English. We speak Starcraft you fucking asshole. I'm sorry, but I can't wait to see a different game come out so some of you xenophobic motherfuckers can stop posting here. You want to watch people you can "relate to"? It's called IPL. Go watch that. Here's the live event
you do realize the koreans are there there for the prize money and the code S spot right?
not to grace us with their presence
and I dont see how people are not allowed to lose (some) interest after their favorite player or players are out
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I see the error of my ways. For many, the nationality of the players affect their interest in SC2, when nobody cared in BW. My disappointment got the better of me.
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Too many TvT sure its get boring...
But Boxer <3
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I stopped watching after Boxer vs Rain for three reasons.
1. TvT is only exciting in moderation.
2. I had very little emotional investment in the remaining players.
3. EVO.
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The amount of TvT's certainly caught my interest but they were definitely some of the better TvT's I've seen.
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The fact that it was so late in the night (EU) did affect my interest. But well, I guess its not the question.
I want to say that I always want to see the best games possible and the best players, but it would be a lie to say that I'm not more excited when I see a Korean vs Foreigner match, it always add something.
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It defenitely affected my interest since I just can't be bothered which Korean wins. They might play better, but they are not the people I cheer for.
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On August 04 2011 21:29 XiGua wrote:
What if the koreans were Jaedong, Flash, Bisu etc. Would people still get turned off by the lack of foreigners?
The people who are interested in the BW competitive and the people are turned off by Korean domination in SC2 are two exclusive sets of people, I'm afraid.
Personally, I have immensely more respect for most Korean players than any foreigner player with few exceptions. They're more skilled, harder working, more mannered and have a much smaller noise to results ratio.
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In the end I watched what I could, but it got "boring" watching the same match-up over and over.
I still enjoyed it, but heck it is what it is... I just believe I would have enjoyed a more spread-out race match in the top8.
(voted too much TvT.)
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Funny thing is, MC, Choya and DRG probably have better English than White Ra, at least written anyway.
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Yes. Stopped watching as soon as all the top 6 was set.
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There should be a "No, but the lack of background story/tension did" option. Compared to an IdrA v Huk or [insert last foreigner standing] v [insert one of 5 koreans in the top6] final it was definitely a lot less exciting. Getting the Koreans to show a lot more personality, as in the GSTL, would probably solve this. As it was even the code S spot (the biggest deal to any non-code S Korean) was already determined.
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