EPTJaedong is winning more games this month, but he didn't really accomplish anything spectacular enough to overthrow Flash from his throne.
Flash stepped down from the throne on his own imo.
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cokencheese
Philippines748 Posts
Flash stepped down from the throne on his own imo. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
 Flash has a losing record this month. End of story. This isn't about how Flash stacks up against Player X, this is about the fact that if you have a losing record, you can't remain as #1 on the PR. I don't care if last month you recently jumped in front of a speeding metro train to save an infant. If you sucked this month, you're moving down.>  Jaedong has had a great month, far better than EffOrt's (who has had a slightly better month than Flash, due in part to the early rounds of the MSL) therefore he should be #1. End of story. > EffOrt should fall and deserves to, but I'm always hesitant to drop someone from the PR after getting such a high spot the previous month unless they've really sucked terribly, and EffOrt hasn't. Back end of the PR. > Fantasy has had the best month of anyone, if you count difficulty of matches with results. He's #3 this month, with a possible try at #2 if he can win convincingly again. He's been the best terran this month, and is the main reason for SKT1's revival. Bisu is riding his coattails right now. > Speaking of which,  Bisu's had a great month, going 7-1 against some strong opponents; (RorO, sKyHigh, Mind, hyvaa). We shouldn't get too caught up in the Bisu's comeback hype quite yet, he's been slumping for so long that he doesn't really have much PR caché left over. Teams have also likely been preparing for fantasy, Hyuk and BeSt more than Bisu, so it's possible that he's sneaking up on people. Back end of the PR. > BaBy's had a winning month (barely) and two of this three losses have come against top flight opponents in BeSt and Jaedong. But BaBy's at the point where we expect him to win games against this opposition, and I can't see him doing any better than keeping his current spot, or possibly dropping down a few.> Poor Kal's had a bad month, a losing month. He dropped last month after a so-so time of it. Surely he'll fall off the rank and into the CNBC this time. He's really got to pick it up, and help out the rest of his teammates. He's the best player on STX, and they're not going anywhere if he can't lift them up. > Snow's gone 5-3 this month, with only two of his wins against terran. He beat a good PvP'er in Violet, and lost in a shootout to the PvP master Shuttle. He beat Kwanro in PvZ and lost narrowly to Hyuk in a fun macro-fest on Judgment Day. Yes his PvT is sublime, but credit where credit is due, Snow's other match-ups aren't as shaky as they're made out to be.> Sea makes his triumphant return to the PR after playing some great games and helping revive MBC's fortunes somewhat. In the same vein, Leta has been playing well (last night's performance nonwithstanding) and remains a bright spot in the sorry mess that is Hite Sparkyz. PR for both. Oh and also.... > great sucks, has sucks, and will continue to suck. It's a pity he's gone 9-2 against quality opposition this month, because we know he's on a losing team and that we'll have a hard time erasing his suckyness from the PR if he's not playing. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On June 29 2010 01:46 tree.hugger wrote: > Speaking of which, Bisu's had a great month, going 7-1 against some strong opponents; (RorO, sKyHigh, Mind, hyvaa). How are those strong opponents at all? I mean, skyhigh tvp? Hyvaa zvp? Also, Mind's tvp hasn't exactly been relevant in ages. All that's missing is like Casy tvp and modesty zvp and he may very well have the most lol month ever as a Protoss. These are people who probably go 50/50 with the Protoss AI in practice games. (Also Yarnc if he wasn't banned from pro-gaming.) | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On June 28 2010 21:07 De4ngus wrote: ..... at least he isn't losing half his games -_- Really, this is EXACTLY how Jaedong lost his #1 right after getting the golden mouse. Let's clear up this misconception, shall we? Firstly, I was not the author of that ranking (although I had a part to play in it). In the month after jaedong won the osl, he retained his #1 rank (this is september 09) and in the month after that (i.e. golden mouse was 2 months ago now...) he went 3-3 with wins over kal, yellow and zero and losses to zero, fail-hyuk and 815. 2/3rds of his losses were to scrubs and one of his wins was over yellow who stilled sucked back then (not any more, i dare say!). In that same month, Flash went 10-0 sweeping his MST group and OSL group and looking damn good doing it. Further, let me quote riptide: For once, I predict there will be a ruckus about how high Jaedong is on the PR. The truth is, The Tyrant was clearly not at his best in October. Dropping ZvZs to Zero, Hyuk and 815, he looked pretty bad. Having said that, no one except Flash looked really good this month either, and while going 2 - 3 will drop him down one slot to make way for the marauding KT Terran, it's not going to make him drop to Calm. Of course, he's going to have to seriously pull his weight in November if he wants to stay in the top three for long. Now compare that to this month; all of Flashs losses coming to people with absurdly good PvT, and not looking bad in any (except the game against really on MP) and he went 1-1 with a number of those players as well. Further, Jaedong went 6-1 this month (I wouldn't count him winning his osl prelims group, there was no one worthy of competition in that group. Indeed, if he hadn't have advanced with a perfect record i would have been surprised). You can bring up Jaedong's 14-0 PL streak but then you should consider that Jaedong got 0-3'd by Flash in the same period of time. Further, Flash's MSL win is still very much relevant, it's been ~30days since that roflstomp, whereas (as mentioned) when Jaedong got dropped his OSL win was around 2 months old by then. Lastly, another question that should be considered when a decision is this fine is who is the more scary opponent for a player at the moment? Think about that for a bit... With those misconceptions cleared up, let's continue the discussion. On June 29 2010 01:59 Harem wrote: How are those strong opponents at all? I mean, skyhigh tvp? Hyvaa zvp? Also, Mind's tvp hasn't exactly been relevant in ages. All that's missing is like Casy tvp and modesty zvp and he may very well have the most lol month ever as a Protoss. These are people who probably go 50/50 with the Protoss AI in practice games. (Also Yarnc if he wasn't banned from pro-gaming.) They're still A team and bisu absolutely destroyed them. I'm not a bisu fan, but I was in awe of that performance. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Jaedong and Flash both lost, Jaedong to YellOw and Flash to free... Even though this is the first anomaly for Jaedong in a while. Also still a new record. Also Jaedong is still scarier than Flash to me, Plexa :3 It might be those eyesssss | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
Plexa wont give JD #1. | ||
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Kreedit
Sweden373 Posts
On June 29 2010 01:46 tree.hugger wrote: Oh and also.... > great sucks, has sucks, and will continue to suck. It's a pity he's gone 9-2 against quality opposition this month, because we know he's on a losing team and that we'll have a hard time erasing his suckyness from the PR if he's not playing. The fuck how does he suck if he goes 9-2 against ''quality opposition''??? And wtf is up with ''losing team''??? Khan is actually on a roll atm and its not inconciveable that they grab the 6th spot from CJ with a bit of luck. | ||
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luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
On June 29 2010 02:38 Kreedit wrote: The fuck how does he suck if he goes 9-2 against ''quality opposition''??? And wtf is up with ''losing team''??? Khan is actually on a roll atm and its not inconciveable that they grab the 6th spot from CJ with a bit of luck. The best team this round so far by quite a lot. | ||
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Tempest[OEC]
United States417 Posts
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KasPra
Estonia983 Posts
On June 29 2010 02:38 Kreedit wrote: The fuck how does he suck if he goes 9-2 against ''quality opposition''??? Behind every good player theres always some people on forums who think they somehow understand pro starcraft more and are qualified to say how that player sucks and is overrated. I usually try to ignore them, i advise you to do the same ; ). I dont know about who should get #1 though, im a huge Flash fan but i like JD a lot too and im really doubting Flash at the moment because his losses are just stacking up, its not like its 2 or 3 of them. I didnt watch todays games yet tho. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
seriously. Most players in the current power rank played quite mediocre this month anyways, especially effort. I mean who cares if #10 is shuttle or s2. ACE man! reach, yellow, gorush, anytime.. ACE gets owned all the time, but not this round. I think they deserve a spot. thx bye | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On June 29 2010 02:10 Plexa wrote: Lastly, another question that should be considered when a decision is this fine is who is the more scary opponent for a player at the moment? Think about that for a bit... Jaedong clearly is. Flash is looking more unsettled every match, and his losses have now extended beyond ace games alone. And "playing well" in those games only goes so far if he still loses in the end, especially against players like Ruby or Hiya, who are not top TvTers. Jaedong is also "playing well," even in his one lost game, one of the greatest ZvZs of all time. And if we're bringing up matchup specialists, Jaedong disposed of ZvZ specialist Modesty with ease. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 29 2010 04:13 snowdrift86 wrote: Jaedong clearly is. Flash is looking more unsettled every match, and his losses have now extended beyond ace games alone. And "playing well" in those games only goes so far if he still loses in the end, especially against players like Ruby or Hiya, who are not top TvTers. Jaedong is also "playing well," even in his one lost game, one of the greatest ZvZs of all time. Yeah, I doubt many terrans are scared of Flash's TvT nowadays, especially in ace matches. They know he is far from invicible. They even say so in interviews. And all zergs still fear Jaedong.  | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:18 InRaged wrote: All Flash opponents except Ruby were Terran snipers Losing in straight up TvT's is not being sniped. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
On June 29 2010 04:39 L0thar wrote: Even Jaedong's own coach though it's not a best idea to send him against Flash... And damn, he was right. Game winning decision. Hold that against Jaedong, oh my. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
He lost to roro in the MSL, only to advance later (in what was kinda poor game against Kwanro) Then he lost to Baby, but everyone (except the DONG) loses to him nowadays). Then Stats lost to Flying (thats 1 loss in pvt and pvp and 2 pvz, mind you). Then looking at the wins he had against Shuttle (mr 80% pvp rate..!) against Zero and Effort. Though they both might've not lived to to their full potential they still are some of the best zvp out there. Make up some love for the chin, Kim Dae Yeob. Also make a case for Roro, this guy has been on a tear lately. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
He's one of the top tosses. Also the only KT player I like (excluding Flash) cuz he's clutch. ^_^ | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On June 29 2010 05:53 SuperArc wrote: Stats fully deserves to be on the PR. He's one of the top tosses. Also the only KT player I like (excluding Flash) cuz he's clutch. ^_^ cmon, seriously, you cant dislike Kang Min, I mean, cmon. | ||
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