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On the PR immediately after fOrGG beat Jaedong 3-0 on imba maps, fOrGG was ranked above Jaedong. However, fOrGG slumped after that, and on the next PR Jaedong was first and fOrGG was 6th.
Now, fOrGG then was nowhere near as good as Flash is now, and Flash should definitely not be sixth. However, Flash shouldn't get a free ride simply for being Flash. Flash needs to play like 2010 Flash to be #1, and this month he's played like 2009 Flash, a good player who's inconsistent and can't manage to pull through and just win games when he needs to.
Jaedong has been playing incredibly in proleague, going 14-1 in his last 15 games with the one loss being an incredible hard-fought game to Yellow. He got to the MSL finals despite imba maps, and 3-0ed TvZ specialist Midas. It might feel wrong to put Flash at 2, but Jaedong has been playing like the top player in the world. Flash, simply, has not.
The rest of the ranking should be something like:
3-6: fantasy, Snow, Baby, and Effort in whatever order. fantasy played very well this month, Snow and Baby played decently but not badly enough to drop too far, Effort should drop out of the top 3 for his mini-slump but he's still the OSL champion.
7-10: 4 out of Bisu, Free, fOrGG, Stork, great, and Sea, with the other two getting CBNC. Bisu, Free, fOrGG, and Sea seem more likely since they're still in both leagues. Stork has been playing well but didn't make the MSL, and great has a good record with decent play but didn't make the OSL Ro16.
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My Predicted (my ranking) July top 10
1)  Jaedong On fire in PL and had no problems qualifying to RO 36 in OSL
2)  Flash : Slumping badly in PL. Drops to #2
3) EffOrt : See Flash. 50% win rate not good enough
4) Fantasy : Improving against Zergs lately. Hopefully Starleague success
5) great : Best PL player right now! Needs to prove it over long haul
6)  BeSt : Bisu slump? No problem! Best sneaks in, even though he's not in either Starleague
7) BaBy Just awesome
8) Stork Back in the top 10!
9) sKyHigh Playing well lately
10) s2 or Action Either can fit here.
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On June 30 2010 01:01 WWJDD wrote:
Bisu over Flash this month. 50% not good enough for even #3 on the PR.
If it was some other Protoss no one would be mentioning them even close to this high.
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6) BeSt : Bisu slump? No problem! Best sneaks in, even though he's not in either Starleague
lol Bisu's been playing a lot better than Best and is in both starleagues.
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I don't know about this.
Flash making consecutive double finals is taken too easily by some.
Jaedong went 6-1 this month, it's not really anything special to take the place of Flash who just recently 3-0'ed him.
If jaedong played his acematches and went something like 10-0 this month and Flash slumping in something other than TvT then I'd agree with Jaedong taking his place but now it seems abit meh...
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I'm 100% certain the PR will come out after Flash and Jaedong have played their MSL games on the 1st. So we will get a little bit of additional data to consider.
There is quite a few possible scenarios, no point in listing them all. Well, at least if Flash goes 2-0 I would feel much better about him being first. With a negative record it just feels wrong, and the he still plays well argument is pretty much pointless when you have lost 6 games. You just don't lose 6 games if your name is Flash and you are playing up to your potential.
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In my opinion Baby should slide quite a few spots to 7 or 8. With all the talk about Flash Jaedong and Bisu I think he is being overlooked. He's gone 4 and 4 with decent wins over Flash, Stats, and S2, but thats about it. He blew it hardcore in the MSL group which were his most important games of the months besides maybe the ace match against KT. He is at best the fourth best terran right now (I dont think its even arguable that Flash, Fantasy, and Sea should be ranked higher) with Leta and Forgg closing in on him.
I think Free should be given a low (7-10) spot for making into both leagues (seed in MSL) and the quality victory over Flash in proleague combined with a 5-1 record this month despite not playing many games.
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On June 30 2010 06:37 StylishVODs wrote:
I don't know about this.
Flash making consecutive double finals is taken too easily by some.
Jaedong went 6-1 this month, it's not really anything special to take the place of Flash who just recently 3-0'ed him.
If jaedong played his acematches and went something like 10-0 this month and Flash slumping in something other than TvT then I'd agree with Jaedong taking his place but now it seems abit meh...
if roles were reversed you'd never allow jaedong to be #1 with a negative win record
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You guys are delusional if you think that Bisu deserves to be in the power rank by beating second grade opponents in which his only "impressive" win is against Roro who has decent ZvP . He got by far the weakest groups in both MSL and OSL and anything else , but advansing would have been a total disgrace .
In anyway there are players more deserving then him and i'll just name a few here : Leta , Sea , Stats , great , Free . There are probably others , but you can make a case for them .
Flash has lost a few games mainly TvT , but that doesn't mean he should be lowered or in the worst case at # 2 , but thats arguable even though Jaedong did well this month .
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Well since its a monthly ranking and not seasonal the healthy choise is to put JD #1 and Flash #2. If Flash does really good next month he returns to #1. It's as simple as that.
To put it differently, if this ranking has a stable evaluation method then for the same reason Effort (not in the PR of the previous month going #2 playing good for 1 month only) threw Jaedong to #3 (without JD failing so hard as Flash this month), the same should happen between JD and Flash.
Read the last paragraph of Plexa's description for Effort and change the names.
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+ Show Spoiler +Snow drops out of the OSL in the Ro36. BaBy didn't even make it into the MSL. We all know they're talented players, but they obviously still have a lot of work to do.
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On June 30 2010 20:05 J1.au wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Snow drops out of the OSL in the Ro36. BaBy didn't even make it into the MSL. We all know they're talented players, but they obviously still have a lot of work to do.
+ Show Spoiler +Snow lost to a cheese, won with awesome play on dreamliner, then dropped 1 sick game. Really should be credited not Snow critisized.
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On June 30 2010 03:18 jalstar wrote:
On the PR immediately after fOrGG beat Jaedong 3-0 on imba maps, fOrGG was ranked above Jaedong. However, fOrGG slumped after that, and on the next PR Jaedong was first and fOrGG was 6th.
Now, fOrGG then was nowhere near as good as Flash is now, and Flash should definitely not be sixth. However, Flash shouldn't get a free ride simply for being Flash. Flash needs to play like 2010 Flash to be #1, and this month he's played like 2009 Flash, a good player who's inconsistent and can't manage to pull through and just win games when he needs to.
Jaedong has been playing incredibly in proleague, going 14-1 in his last 15 games with the one loss being an incredible hard-fought game to Yellow. He got to the MSL finals despite imba maps, and 3-0ed TvZ specialist Midas. It might feel wrong to put Flash at 2, but Jaedong has been playing like the top player in the world. Flash, simply, has not.
The rest of the ranking should be something like:
3-6: fantasy, Snow, Baby, and Effort in whatever order. fantasy played very well this month, Snow and Baby played decently but not badly enough to drop too far, Effort should drop out of the top 3 for his mini-slump but he's still the OSL champion.
7-10: 4 out of Bisu, Free, fOrGG, Stork, great, and Sea, with the other two getting CBNC. Bisu, Free, fOrGG, and Sea seem more likely since they're still in both leagues. Stork has been playing well but didn't make the MSL, and great has a good record with decent play but didn't make the OSL Ro16. The Forgg arguement doesnt hold up, since he owned Jaedong, imba maps or not, noone couldve proved that JD wouldve won regardless. Remember that before that Forgg had just 3-0'ed flash as well.
To put it short; fOrGG 6-0'ed the 2 best (when not looking at other T's than forgg) players of their respective races.
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Could people clue in what their spoiler is on, just in case? Like, spoiler of recent Ro36 match below.
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^Iplaythings - just small correcton, it was 3:1 with Flash afaik.
On June 30 2010 20:12 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 20:05 J1.au wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Snow drops out of the OSL in the Ro36. BaBy didn't even make it into the MSL. We all know they're talented players, but they obviously still have a lot of work to do. + Show Spoiler +Snow lost to a cheese, won with awesome play on dreamliner, then dropped 1 sick game. Really should be credited not Snow critisized.
Yeah, Really played that series very well, props to him. Anyway, seeing Snow getting his ass kicked in PvT was extremely satisfying. Man, how I detest PvT specialist.
edit: Crisium - I though general agreement is that you don't have to spoiler anything in PR...
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On June 30 2010 07:59 Malinor wrote:
I'm 100% certain the PR will come out after Flash and Jaedong have played their MSL games on the 1st. So we will get a little bit of additional data to consider. . That's a very sensible idea.
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On June 30 2010 05:53 catabowl wrote:My Predicted (my ranking) July top 10 1) Jaedong On fire in PL and had no problems qualifying to RO 36 in OSL 2) Flash : Slumping badly in PL. Drops to #2 3) EffOrt : See Flash. 50% win rate not good enough 4) Fantasy : Improving against Zergs lately. Hopefully Starleague success 5) great : Best PL player right now! Needs to prove it over long haul 6) BeSt : Bisu slump? No problem! Best sneaks in, even though he's not in either Starleague 7) BaBy Just awesome 8) Stork Back in the top 10! 9) sKyHigh Playing well lately 10) s2 or Action Either can fit here.
Bisu slump lol? he is 12-3 this month. You have no clue
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I look forward to Bisu being on July's PR. And Flash still holding #1... please... <3
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On June 30 2010 15:27 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 06:37 StylishVODs wrote:
I don't know about this.
Flash making consecutive double finals is taken too easily by some.
Jaedong went 6-1 this month, it's not really anything special to take the place of Flash who just recently 3-0'ed him.
If jaedong played his acematches and went something like 10-0 this month and Flash slumping in something other than TvT then I'd agree with Jaedong taking his place but now it seems abit meh... if roles were reversed you'd never allow jaedong to be #1 with a negative win record
Wierd statement, and false. Ofcourse I would...
I think Flash deserves the benefit of a doubt after his domination.
This is the month where he needs it. Never before has he needed it and never has he gotten it.
He lost a few TvT games and he's suddenly not the best player.. :/
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On July 01 2010 01:09 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2010 15:27 SuperArc wrote:On June 30 2010 06:37 StylishVODs wrote:
I don't know about this.
Flash making consecutive double finals is taken too easily by some.
Jaedong went 6-1 this month, it's not really anything special to take the place of Flash who just recently 3-0'ed him.
If jaedong played his acematches and went something like 10-0 this month and Flash slumping in something other than TvT then I'd agree with Jaedong taking his place but now it seems abit meh... if roles were reversed you'd never allow jaedong to be #1 with a negative win record Wierd statement, and false. Ofcourse I would... I think Flash deserves the benefit of a doubt after his domination. This is the month where he needs it. Never before has he needed it and never has he gotten it. He lost a few TvT games and he's suddenly not the best player.. :/
Yeah he lost a few TvT's but if you watch it from the beginning, his play has just gotten worse. Losing to Ruby was sort of a fluke, but then he got thoroughly out multi-tasked by Baby and lost in the late-late game (where Flash is said to be almost unbeatable) to Skyhigh, to having a build order advantage and getting completely outplayed by Really. Out of all the TvT's he has lost this month, Skyhigh is the only player who actually has a solid TvT record. You could see in his expressions that he has lost something.
Giving flash the benefit of the doubt is putting him at number #2 (pending today's results, of course). As of this month I think a case can be made that Flash is not even the best terran, as Fantasy has certainly shown he has gotten back to form, beating some very good players and qualifying for both starleagues.
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