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On May 29 2010 18:47 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 18:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I wasn't bitter one bit when Effort ling rushed Flash to death but here you guys come, angry as piss that Flash 14cc'd on two big macro maps, and 14cc'd when he scouted 12hatch. There's no need to pretend that Flash is some kind of victim. That was a dominant performance, and a total mind-game victory. Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 18:43 johanes wrote:
Ok, there is only word that should be in this month's PR description for flash. It starts with B. Except that Flash lost in the OSL. He got wrecked in the last three games.
Yeah. Out of the five most recent tournaments (2 OSL, 2 MSL, Winner's League), Flash only has 3 golds and 2 silvers. What a crappy record.
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At least this month showed us that #1 and #2 are way closer to #3 than we thought-
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what is it with cj players and talking about people who aren't even involved in a match right after the match? flash plays pure, we end up talking about movie - flash plays jaedong, we end up talking about effort -
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Fenrax
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On May 29 2010 18:59 SuperArc wrote:
At least this month showed us that #1 and #2 are way closer to #3 than we thought-
Since Plexa does the PR and is biased against JD I am 100% sure that Effort will get #2.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 29 2010 18:56 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 18:47 tree.hugger wrote:On May 29 2010 18:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I wasn't bitter one bit when Effort ling rushed Flash to death but here you guys come, angry as piss that Flash 14cc'd on two big macro maps, and 14cc'd when he scouted 12hatch. There's no need to pretend that Flash is some kind of victim. That was a dominant performance, and a total mind-game victory. On May 29 2010 18:43 johanes wrote:
Ok, there is only word that should be in this month's PR description for flash. It starts with B. Except that Flash lost in the OSL. He got wrecked in the last three games. Yeah. Out of the five most recent tournaments (2 OSL, 2 MSL, Winner's League), Flash only has 3 golds and 2 silvers. What a crappy record.
No need to get your knickers in a twist or anything. I'm not saying Flash isn't the best BW player in the world right now, but we're too damn enthusiastic to declare anyone a bonjwa nowadays. Just this fall people were calling Jaedong a bonjwa.
I know we're all excited, and it really was some gorgeous play, but let's not bring out the coronation just a week after Flash's most devastating defeat.
On May 29 2010 19:01 o[twist] wrote:
what is it with cj players and talking about people who aren't even involved in a match right after the match? flash plays pure, we end up talking about movie - flash plays jaedong, we end up talking about effort -
These two finals have been more linked than any finals in recent memory.
On May 29 2010 19:01 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 18:59 SuperArc wrote:
At least this month showed us that #1 and #2 are way closer to #3 than we thought- Since Plexa does the PR and is biased against JD I am 100% sure that Effort will get #2.
Except that yesterday, Plexa made a blog post explaining why "EffOrt is still bad".
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On May 29 2010 19:02 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 18:56 okum wrote:On May 29 2010 18:47 tree.hugger wrote:On May 29 2010 18:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I wasn't bitter one bit when Effort ling rushed Flash to death but here you guys come, angry as piss that Flash 14cc'd on two big macro maps, and 14cc'd when he scouted 12hatch. There's no need to pretend that Flash is some kind of victim. That was a dominant performance, and a total mind-game victory. On May 29 2010 18:43 johanes wrote:
Ok, there is only word that should be in this month's PR description for flash. It starts with B. Except that Flash lost in the OSL. He got wrecked in the last three games. Yeah. Out of the five most recent tournaments (2 OSL, 2 MSL, Winner's League), Flash only has 3 golds and 2 silvers. What a crappy record. No need to get your knickers in a twist or anything. I'm not saying Flash isn't the best BW player in the world right now, but we're too damn enthusiastic to declare anyone a bonjwa nowadays. Just this fall people were calling Jaedong a bonjwa. I know we're all excited, and it really was some gorgeous play, but let's not bring out the coronation just a week after Flash's most devastating defeat.
most devastating defeat would be if he got kicked out in preliminaries, but he lost 3:2 in finals. I think it's the LEAST devastating loss.
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lol at effort being flash's "most devastating defeat" - ALL his previous Bo5s against jaedong were worse, and often showcased complete domination rather than the discovery of a hole in flash's preparation.
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I amend my previous statements, by the way. Effort is much better at beating 14CC than Jaedong.
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Flash
Effort
Jaedong
I'm surprised people think that there can be any other order.
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On May 29 2010 19:01 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 18:59 SuperArc wrote:
At least this month showed us that #1 and #2 are way closer to #3 than we thought- Since Plexa does the PR and is biased against JD I am 100% sure that Effort will get #2.
I don't think you saw his stupid rant blog "effort sucks" or something like that. He just hate all zergs that dont accept insta defeat vs 14cc...
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 29 2010 19:04 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:02 tree.hugger wrote:On May 29 2010 18:56 okum wrote:On May 29 2010 18:47 tree.hugger wrote:On May 29 2010 18:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I wasn't bitter one bit when Effort ling rushed Flash to death but here you guys come, angry as piss that Flash 14cc'd on two big macro maps, and 14cc'd when he scouted 12hatch. There's no need to pretend that Flash is some kind of victim. That was a dominant performance, and a total mind-game victory. On May 29 2010 18:43 johanes wrote:
Ok, there is only word that should be in this month's PR description for flash. It starts with B. Except that Flash lost in the OSL. He got wrecked in the last three games. Yeah. Out of the five most recent tournaments (2 OSL, 2 MSL, Winner's League), Flash only has 3 golds and 2 silvers. What a crappy record. No need to get your knickers in a twist or anything. I'm not saying Flash isn't the best BW player in the world right now, but we're too damn enthusiastic to declare anyone a bonjwa nowadays. Just this fall people were calling Jaedong a bonjwa. I know we're all excited, and it really was some gorgeous play, but let's not bring out the coronation just a week after Flash's most devastating defeat. most devastating defeat would be if he got kicked out in preliminaries, but he lost 3:2 in finals. I think it's the LEAST devastating loss.
It was the biggest stage, with the most on the line, and Flash lost a lead.
On May 29 2010 19:06 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I amend my previous statements, by the way. Effort is much better at beating 14CC than Jaedong.
I don't think you can make this kind of determination after just a few games. Flash's wall-ins after his fast expansions in this series were much more diligent than the one he showed in game 5 of the OSL.
I don't think any zerg can beat an unpunished 14cc from Flash.
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Jaedong can beat 14 cc with 3 hatch before pool if he doesn't suicide lurks into MNM without ling support. Seriously the dumbest thing I've ever seen Jaedong do that he did deliberately.
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The games should've been reversed 
Flash 3-0'ing Effort and Jaedong 3-2'ing Flash.
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Thanks to fantasy's valk build (beat that Holgerius) 14cc really looks very unbeatable.
14cc's big weakness used to be slow range upgrade vs mutas I think?
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On May 29 2010 19:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Jaedong can beat 14 cc with 3 hatch before pool if he doesn't suicide lurks into MNM without ling support. Seriously the dumbest thing I've ever seen Jaedong do that he did deliberately.
I don't know why you keep going on about the Lurker suicide. The game was over by then, there was no way he was saving the 3rd Hatch and on Odd Eye of all maps there's no chance Z wins there.
His mistake (like you said in another thread) was Droning too hard and expecting to come out ahead on the Muta/Scourge/Ling vs MnM/Valk exchange, thus not having anything to stall for the third any longer.
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On May 29 2010 19:16 SuperArc wrote:
Thanks to fantasy's valk build (beat that Holgerius) 14cc really looks very unbeatable.
14cc's big weakness used to be slow range upgrade vs mutas I think?
Are you serious? 14cc doesn't delay Academy or Gas at all, ugh.
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On May 29 2010 19:16 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Jaedong can beat 14 cc with 3 hatch before pool if he doesn't suicide lurks into MNM without ling support. Seriously the dumbest thing I've ever seen Jaedong do that he did deliberately. I don't know why you keep going on about the Lurker suicide. The game was over by then, there was no way he was saving the 3rd Hatch and on Odd Eye of all maps there's no chance Z wins there. His mistake (like you said in another thread) was Droning too hard and expecting to come out ahead on the Muta/Scourge/Ling vs MnM/Valk exchange, thus not having anything to stall for the third any longer.
I'm parroting Day9, and I made the more detailed post in the actual thread, but it's not like I was wrong. Jaedong was in a perfectly fine position in both game 2 and 3, Flash just played better.
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On May 29 2010 19:17 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2010 19:16 SuperArc wrote:
Thanks to fantasy's valk build (beat that Holgerius) 14cc really looks very unbeatable.
14cc's big weakness used to be slow range upgrade vs mutas I think? Are you serious? 14cc doesn't delay Academy or Gas at all, ugh.
Is that why I remember 2hatch muta raping 14ccs?
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It delays Rax, pure and simple. Less marines makes you prone to mutalisk rushes.
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