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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
May 29 2010 00:57 GMT
#741
On May 29 2010 05:51 DoctorK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 01:30 StylishVODs wrote:
When I look back at the PR's one day and I see someone who made dual finals again after being so dominant not being nr1 I will only be satisfied with it if the #1 player clearly showed that he was the better player.

I guess thats the price you have to price you have to pay for winning too much. It's so impossibly hard to win both leagues at the same time and if you lose at the finals the opponent gets all the credit even if he's just in a single league.


Basically this. If Jaedong doesn't completely dominate the finals and somehow gets #1 vs someone who made dual finals twice in a row while being nearly invincible in Proleague I'm not really sure how I'd react.


If Flash was truly the #1 player he would not go 0-2 in the finals. Yes he has been dominant and easily made it to both finals, but he should not be rewarded for losing the two biggest games of the season. And it is not as if Jaedong and Effort are only playing decent starcraft. Both of them went on 12 game win streaks.

I believe Flash would tell you himself he considers Jaedong the better player if he goes 0-2 in the MSL finals.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 29 2010 01:51 GMT
#742
The reason why Jaedong could be considered as #1 if he wins the MSL finals is that:

1. It will mean Jaedong is the wall Flash cannot surpass. This would be Jaedong's 4th victory in a bo5 over Flash.
2. Jaedong's recent record would feature a stronger win percentage. Someone pointed out that if Jaedong won by any margin, he'd have a better record in his last 30 games.
3. Jaedong's loss to Baby is a loss Flash didn't take, but you don't want to hang it too hard over Jaedong's head.

Of course, a close victory of 3-2 on behalf of Jaedong would arguably still leave the ball in Flash's court as the stronger overall gamer, considering how heavily put to the test Flash's game has been recently. But it's hard to say. I think at that point, many would want to crown Jaedong bonjwa, whereas the Flash camp would be unable to make that claim... but probably unsupportive of Jaedong's claim either.

In fact, unless this final is lopsided, the B-word might be a bit contentious.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 29 2010 06:28 GMT
#743
The bar has been set high for bonjwa. Flash was close with two finals appearances, but couldn't seal the deal. Jaedong is nowhere near that. An MSL won't be enough for him.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 06:58:05
May 29 2010 06:57 GMT
#744
On May 29 2010 15:28 J1.au wrote:
The bar has been set high for bonjwa. Flash was close with two finals appearances, but couldn't seal the deal. Jaedong is nowhere near that. An MSL won't be enough for him.


"an msl" ?

It would be a gold in the fourth straight season.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 29 2010 07:06 GMT
#745
Yeah the bar is set too high seriously. In the foreign forums (TL) anyway.
Flash couldn't convince people because his dominant time has only been a year so far, and jaedong can't convince people because he's got the golds spread out over a too long period. Since he's only into one league all the time he can't claim "total dominance".

The bar seems like, you have to get to back to back dual finals and win 4 golds and then keep it up for another 4-5years with 90% winratio in PL!!!

Imo both players deserve much better but I don't really care...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
May 29 2010 09:41 GMT
#746
Well, this finals has spared us from a lot of useless discussion. Flash is the better player right now, there can be no doubt.

Disappointed by JDs play. He has to be #2 anyway, but that was really not good.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 09:43:54
May 29 2010 09:41 GMT
#747
lol. + Show Spoiler +
this makes the loss in the osl finals seem so... unnecessary. i guess he wanted to keep his best builds to himself but if he had deployed just one of them, it might have been enough
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 09:45:17
May 29 2010 09:43 GMT
#748
+ Show Spoiler +
So NOW what?

EffOrt #2?

I mean, Jaedong's reactions were essentially the exact same as EffOrt's. All of this "EffOrt can't defeat Flash in a macro game" garbage has been exposed as ridiculous. Flash doesn't play macro games fair. He grabs a huge advantage. Sometimes he outplays you in the late game (Game 2), and sometimes he get's outplayed (SPL Set 1). But he wins in the midgame with ridiculous econ play. The best counter in starcraft is to go kill your opponent. And EffOrt did that, and Jaedong couldn't.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 29 2010 09:43 GMT
#749
and Plexa calls zerg dirty lol.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
May 29 2010 09:43 GMT
#750
Ok, there is only word that should be in this month's PR description for flash. It starts with B.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 09:54:43
May 29 2010 09:44 GMT
#751
The last week, TL has been overrun with

"When Jaedong wins the MSL..."

"Jaedong never loses a Bo5"

"Flash is terrible against zerg"

"Flash never wins when it matters"

"Flash was just a fluke"

LOL I say
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 29 2010 09:44 GMT
#752
Man I wasn't bitter one bit when Effort ling rushed Flash to death but here you guys come, angry as piss that Flash 14cc'd on two big macro maps, and 14cc'd when he scouted 12hatch.
Remember Violet.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
May 29 2010 09:46 GMT
#753
Kind of sad that it wasn't Flash winning the OSL and JD winning the MSL. No golden mice/badges.

Effort just had to fluke his way in and ruin the party for fanboys of both camps
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-29 09:49:02
May 29 2010 09:47 GMT
#754
On May 29 2010 18:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I wasn't bitter one bit when Effort ling rushed Flash to death but here you guys come, angry as piss that Flash 14cc'd on two big macro maps, and 14cc'd when he scouted 12hatch.

There's no need to pretend that Flash is some kind of victim. That was a dominant performance, and a total mind-game victory.

On May 29 2010 18:43 johanes wrote:
Ok, there is only word that should be in this month's PR description for flash. It starts with B.

Except that Flash lost in the OSL. He got wrecked in the last three games.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 29 2010 09:49 GMT
#755
I'm not even anti-cheese but so many people are shouting that 14cc is cheese and blah blah when it's the most sensical build on the first two maps and he just scouted for it on the third.
Remember Violet.
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
May 29 2010 09:50 GMT
#756
On May 29 2010 18:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I wasn't bitter one bit when Effort ling rushed Flash to death but here you guys come, angry as piss that Flash 14cc'd on two big macro maps, and 14cc'd when he scouted 12hatch.


Yes, you are a saint. Flash fans in general where pretty pissed though, likewise Jaedong fans in general are probably pretty pissed while some take it for what it is, Flash winning because he outplayed and outsmarted Jaedong. Don't try to make it look like one side is better than the other
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
May 29 2010 09:54 GMT
#757
On May 29 2010 18:47 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 18:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Man I wasn't bitter one bit when Effort ling rushed Flash to death but here you guys come, angry as piss that Flash 14cc'd on two big macro maps, and 14cc'd when he scouted 12hatch.

There's no need to pretend that Flash is some kind of victim. That was a dominant performance, and a total mind-game victory.

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 18:43 johanes wrote:
Ok, there is only word that should be in this month's PR description for flash. It starts with B.

Except that Flash lost in the OSL. He got wrecked in the last three games.

Yep, every B had always the perfect score and never lost any final
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
May 29 2010 09:54 GMT
#758
i'm not quite sure there's a good justification for putting effort above jaedong. i don't have much doubt that jaedong is even right now the better all-around player. but i can see the argument and i don't think the point is worth hashing out two days before power rank comes out and two hours after the msl finals started.
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
May 29 2010 09:55 GMT
#759
On May 29 2010 18:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm not even anti-cheese but so many people are shouting that 14cc is cheese and blah blah when it's the most sensical build on the first two maps and he just scouted for it on the third.


I think he scouted 12hat on 2nd game too before starting the cc. I'm not 100% about that but I think he did
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
May 29 2010 09:56 GMT
#760
On May 29 2010 18:55 11cc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2010 18:49 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'm not even anti-cheese but so many people are shouting that 14cc is cheese and blah blah when it's the most sensical build on the first two maps and he just scouted for it on the third.


I think he scouted 12hat on 2nd game too before starting the cc. I'm not 100% about that but I think he did


Nope, scouting distances are too long. He did scout the three hatch before pool after he 14cc'd which led to his followup timing push.
Remember Violet.
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