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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 12 2010 12:31 GMT
#241
On April 12 2010 21:14 Holgerius wrote:
Right now I would hold Sea as favourite against anyone who isn't Flash.


Skyhigh.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
April 12 2010 13:07 GMT
#242
On April 12 2010 21:14 Holgerius wrote:
Right now I would hold Sea as favourite against anyone who isn't Flash.


Agreed. Small favourite vs some but still the favourite in any matchup I can think of.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 12 2010 13:39 GMT
#243
On April 12 2010 21:31 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 21:14 Holgerius wrote:
Right now I would hold Sea as favourite against anyone who isn't Flash.


Skyhigh.

You overvalue his TvT. He got knocked out of the OSL preliminaries by Frozen, and the last time he played Sea he got crushed. I'd bet my money on Sea right now.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 12 2010 16:20 GMT
#244
I don't like it that Flash has to prepare for PL vs STX tomorrow and a possible ACEmatch since KT is failing so hard right now and then face Kal in a must wion situation the very next day:/
Since his last games has been alittle shaky compared to his standards..
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
April 12 2010 16:47 GMT
#245
If all the illegal betting shit is true you can basically wipe this whole PR and give places 1-10 to Flash...
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 12 2010 16:53 GMT
#246
On April 12 2010 22:39 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 21:31 SuperArc wrote:
On April 12 2010 21:14 Holgerius wrote:
Right now I would hold Sea as favourite against anyone who isn't Flash.


Skyhigh.

You overvalue his TvT. He got knocked out of the OSL preliminaries by Frozen, and the last time he played Sea he got crushed. I'd bet my money on Sea right now.


and the last time Skyhigh and Flash faced each other, Flash got crushed.

Does this mean Skyhigh is a favourite over Flash? Yeah, I thought so... One game doesn't mean anything. Skyhigh has proven often enough that his TvT is S-class.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 20:15:21
April 12 2010 17:15 GMT
#247
On April 12 2010 16:46 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 16:38 nodule wrote:
Prolly aint since he was caught cheating


What are you talking about? i don't see any mention of this anywhere

It wasn't really cheating. He was throwing games for money.


that is definitely cheating. Are you being serious??

EDIT: k, I see the threads now. I was searching for "luxury" and finding nothing... I guess it is just that wide-spread
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
April 12 2010 21:36 GMT
#248
List of names I saw includes Bisu, Stork, Jaedong, Savior, Effort, Leta, both twins (Lux and Yarnc), Fantasy...

Christ. So many names of players I respected tremendously.

Who knows how things would have gone if these people hadn't thrown games? And how many other big names who "suddenly" fell off the high horse are involved?



Flash seems to be clean though.

May power rank: Flash #1. Cash #2. Or maybe Cash should be CBNC because everyone who throws games for money loses. :p
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4733 Posts
April 12 2010 21:52 GMT
#249
You guys should really stop judging players whose names were on some list, you basically know nothing about that case besides some translations of amateurs (no disrespect).

If you wanna be suspicious, focus your energy on the players who have already been removed from their Teams PL-Rosters (Upmagic, Luxury, Sangho, Savior). The rest is nothing more but rumors right now.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 12 2010 22:42 GMT
#250
Flash's dominance is definitely just due to all other progamers throwing games against him
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
April 12 2010 23:26 GMT
#251
On April 13 2010 06:52 Malinor wrote:
You guys should really stop judging players whose names were on some list, you basically know nothing about that case besides some translations of amateurs (no disrespect).

If you wanna be suspicious, focus your energy on the players who have already been removed from their Teams PL-Rosters (Upmagic, Luxury, Sangho, Savior). The rest is nothing more but rumors right now.


We still don't even know if any of them are guilty either. But I think they are. I don't think these names got leaked for no reason. What we know already -- however little of it is not room or speculation -- pretty much changes everything. This is huge. And it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
April 12 2010 23:32 GMT
#252
On April 13 2010 01:20 StylishVODs wrote:
I don't like it that Flash has to prepare for PL vs STX tomorrow and a possible ACEmatch since KT is failing so hard right now and then face Kal in a must wion situation the very next day:/
Since his last games has been alittle shaky compared to his standards..


If hyvaa loses to Kwanro though it will be a 3-way tie even if Flash loses to Kal.(which he obviously won't!) Kwanro beating hyvaa is actually quite likely so it will not necessarily be a must-win situation for Lee Bonjwa. But then again, it's a ZvZ...

Uhm... nevermind.. I'm just rambling to calm myself I guess because the last thing the scandal stricken Starcraft World needs is an OSL without Flash...

"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 13 2010 00:36 GMT
#253
The extended list does have some authenticity because it was leaked before this whole scandal got blown open, but it's true that we should assume they're innocent until proven guilty.

Except Savior/Sangho/Upmagic, they're screwed lol.

But if that list IS true, next PR is going to be insane. I really, really hope at least Stork and Jaedong aren't actually involved.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 13 2010 02:46 GMT
#254
Hey guys, remember when Jaedong lost to Stork when he did a half-ass ling all-in in PL?

o_o
Beachac
Profile Joined June 2009
United States278 Posts
April 13 2010 03:09 GMT
#255
what would be interesting is if someone could find a game of Upmagic, Luxury, Sangho, or Savior where you can tell that they deliberately lost.
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 13 2010 03:57 GMT
#256
BaBy for +1
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
April 13 2010 04:02 GMT
#257
On April 13 2010 11:46 nodule wrote:
Hey guys, remember when Jaedong lost to Stork when he did a half-ass ling all-in in PL?

o_o

Yeah, but I also remember Jaedong was fucking exhausted at the time.
My strategy is to fork people.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
April 13 2010 06:33 GMT
#258
also, the odds wouldn't be appropriate
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
April 13 2010 07:37 GMT
#259
On April 13 2010 09:36 Hinanawi wrote:
Except Savior/Sangho/Upmagic, they're screwed lol.

Sigh. Can someone please point me in the direction of some evidence for this?
May the BeSt man win.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 08:04:43
April 13 2010 08:01 GMT
#260
baby should be way up higher..

his recent kill list:

ForGG
Jaedong
Stork
July
Hwasin
Hero
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