EPTPower Rank 01/31/2010 - Page 2
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honey_badger
Djibouti46 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On January 31 2010 21:10 SuperArc wrote: apart from game 4 where Jaedong foresaw Flash's 8rax, why is three hatch before pool not viable against rax expand? Even Xiaoxi managed to pull it off against Idra. And 12pool lair is always executable too. They were not once in a lifetime BOs. I am pretty sure we're gonna see more three hatch before pool games in the future. 12 hatch 11 pool is just too weak. 3hat before pool is in no way new and it is a gimmick build unless you drone scout or you are playing on a huge map like katrina or zodiac. It is definitely viable against rax expand but its a bo loss vs an 8rax or any rax first build, which is why its mind blowing that JD out mind mind gamed Flash in those series, the same flash who bunker rushed 50% of his TvZ's that month in order to psyche out JD. If you dont scout first it's just another gimmick build like a 14cc vZ. 12pool lair 2hat muta yarnc style is a good build though and can be played well, and I don't know much about it due to the fact that only top 2hat muta progamers can even pull that build off. 12hat 11 pool is not weak, its just not good enough vs the best Terran in the world on imbalanced maps. On January 31 2010 21:21 honey_badger wrote: Stork at #9 are you kidding me? How could Leta or FBH even come close to beating him in a match? Maybe Kal, maybe Kwanrizzle, but he could be much higher. Might as well keep Bisu as top 5 every month if you are going to use that argument. I didn't see his non PvTs so I can't really comment on this though. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
On January 31 2010 21:05 Niton wrote: The key word is "impromptu". Plexa thinks that if someone were to come up to Flash/Jaedong and told them they were playing a Bo5 -right now-, Flash would be the favorite due to the wave of raw ability he's riding on. Given how ridiculously Flash has been playing lately and how strong Jaedong's builds had to be in the MSL finals, i'm inclined to agree. JD's builds had to be ridiculous because he had to beat ridiculous maps. On balanced maps like Fighting Spirit, I can't see him as disfavored. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17254 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 31 2010 21:26 samachking wrote: 3hat before pool is in no way new and it is a gimmick build unless you drone scout or you are playing on a huge map like katrina or zodiac. It is definitely viable against rax expand but its a bo loss vs an 8rax or any rax first build, which is why its mind blowing that JD out mind mind gamed Flash in those series, the same flash who bunker rushed 50% of his TvZ's that month in order to psyche out JD. If you dont scout first it's just another gimmick build like a 14cc vZ. 12pool lair 2hat muta yarnc style is a good build though and can be played well, and I don't know much about it due to the fact that only top 2hat muta progamers can even pull that build off. 12hat 11 pool is not weak, its just not good enough vs the best Terran in the world on imbalanced maps. Might as well keep Bisu as top 5 every month if you are going to use that argument. I didn't see his non PvTs so I can't really comment on this though. 8rax beats the standard 12 hatch 11 pool too. And tell me apart from ACE members who goes 2rax or rax gas nowadays in TvZ? It's all about 1rax expand nowadays. This is what makes three hatch before pool a very viable build against almost any terran. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On January 31 2010 21:36 Manit0u wrote: Why no Light in CBNC or even the rankings? He's doing very well in WL and was doing good in PL. Overlooked player but overall very consistent. He is there, just remember that he is the invisible Terran. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On January 31 2010 21:38 SuperArc wrote: 8rax beats the standard 12 hatch 11 pool too. And tell me apart from ACE members who goes 2rax or rax gas nowadays in TvZ? It's all about 1rax expand nowadays. This is what makes three hatch before pool a very viable build against almost any terran. 8rax does not beat the standard 12hat 11 pool, its a micro battle there, the build Flash has been using was the 7rax and not the 8rax. I never mentioned anything about 2rax or rax gas, im just talking about rax first builds like BBS,BSB,7rax,8rax which all kill 3hat before pool instantly. The most popular rush kills 3hat before pool easily, and its even vs 12hat 11pool. It is viable vs 1rax expand, but as soon as 3hat before pool becomes popular so will the 8rax, its simply a metagame counter shift, 12hat 11pool will always be the standard. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 31 2010 21:44 samachking wrote: 8rax does not beat the standard 12hat 11 pool, its a micro battle there, the build Flash has been using was the 7rax and not the 8rax. I never mentioned anything about 2rax or rax gas, im just talking about rax first builds like BBS,BSB,7rax,8rax which all kill 3hat before pool instantly. The most popular rush kills 3hat before pool easily, and its even vs 12hat 11pool. It is viable vs 1rax expand, but as soon as 3hat before pool becomes popular so will the 8rax, its simply a metagame counter shift, 12hat 11pool will always be the standard. Lately terrans are winning more and more with 8rax vs 12 hatch 11 pool tho. And once 8rax becomes popular so will 9pool again. Like you said its simply a metagame shift. Terrans are overusing rax expand lately so I am pretty sure zergs will do the same with three hatch before pool. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On January 31 2010 21:56 SuperArc wrote: Lately terrans are winning more and more with 8rax vs 12 hatch 11 pool tho. And once 8rax becomes popular so will 9pool again. Like you said its simply a metagame shift. Terrans are overusing rax expand lately so I am pretty sure zergs will do the same with three hatch before pool. Can you give me examples of recent T wins with 8rax vs 12hat 11pool(not 12hat 11gas 2hat muta) barring Flash and his 7rax? 3hat before pool is definetly a viable build if you use it sparingly, will it become standard? Unless we get gigantic maps like Katrina and Zodiac once more I don't think its possible. I hope the new Oz build on match point becomes popular 9drone scout if 1rax/14cc go 3hat before pool into 4hat, it looks like a fine build especially if executed right (with consume researched ofc). Blind 3hat before pools on 4 player maps are gimmicks and will not become popular. Also by that same logic Zergs overusing 12hat will bring back 14cc, but thats not happening due to the gimmicky nature of the 14cc which is the T equivalent of a 3hat except it puts them way ahead of Zerg( more so than a 3hat before pool that just gives 2-3 more drones + evo w/carapace) | ||
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seRapH
United States9756 Posts
hoping to see best/bisu start actually getting into at least cnbc though =( | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
Also, why doesn't Really have an image lol | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On January 31 2010 21:21 honey_badger wrote: Stork at #9 are you kidding me? How could Leta or FBH even come close to beating him in a match? Maybe Kal, maybe Kwanrizzle, but he could be much higher. Because PR is not about being able to defeat some player X or player Y, but about proven performance Sick, i like Plexa's PRs a lot  On January 31 2010 22:35 Klive5ive wrote: And Jaedong continues to be undervalued. After a dominating MSL finals performance he should be number1... no question. Yeah, so what if MSL finals weren't even run "properly", so what if JD got dominated by Flash ALL THE TIME except for MSL finals, so what that JD's overall record is WAY worse than Flash's. He should be #1 because his fanboy says so :| | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On January 31 2010 22:39 Kaniol wrote: Because PR is not about being able to defeat some player X or player Y, but about proven performance Sick, i like Plexa's PRs a lot Yeah, so what if MSL finals weren't even run "properly", so what if JD got dominated by Flash ALL THE TIME except for MSL finals, so what that JD's overall record is WAY worse than Flash's. He should be #1 because his fanboy says so :| lol@80%winrate being way worse than 80% winrate You are being hypocritical here when mentioning monthly results and saying all the time, Flash beat JD in 1 game outside the MSL finals and it was not domination, it was a fuck up by Jaedong not researching consume after outplaying Flash the entire game. Do I think JD deserves no1 over Flash this month no, do I think JD showed he was a better player than Flash in a bo5 this season and has proved himself to be just as good as Flash in his weakest mu? Yes. Who cares, just appreciate that these 2 players are the greatest of all time and they are equal, + they are so much better than anyone else that its almost funny. | ||
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Seems like only Flash and Jaedong are playing steady these past few months. Every other player has been wildly swinging between 'omg X new bonjwa' threads and 'meh' mini-slumps, but Flash/JD are always ready to kick ass anywhere, anytime. Almost makes me feel bad for Protoss. Flash's TvP is back up to par, and Jaedong just mercilessly rapes Protoss players to the point where in any Bo5 against a Protoss, I think the most likely result is 3-0 JD sweep. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On January 31 2010 22:23 majesty.k)seRapH wrote: personally, i think stork > fbh and kal > leta, but everything else i completely agree with. hoping to see best/bisu start actually getting into at least cnbc though =( Took the words right out of my mouth. Kal has actually been fighting some really hard opponents and owns in all 3 matchups. Leta has been playing scrubs and auto losing vs Protoss. I could accept Leta > Kal because it's very subjective. But i don't even see how you could make a case for FBH > Stork, when all fbh did was put together a little WL streak. His play was absolutely terrible in R2. | ||
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