• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:09
CEST 02:09
KST 09:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-66SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)11Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE15
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 2/8 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week
Tourneys
SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles #19 2-Days Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
BW Drama: Terror's Debt Incident + C9 disbanding BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games ASL22 General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The Clem Fan Club INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2785 users

Power Rank 01/31/2010 - Page 14

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
468 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 24 Next All
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada949 Posts
February 02 2010 22:05 GMT
#261
On February 03 2010 04:38 Elroi wrote:
FBH gets to play so much in Khan that he HAS to win some times... like his 6-2 record recently, he will probably be able to do that again, in a year or something. I mean statistically speaking it's not that strange, he actually wins one third of his games lol.

You mean a quarter.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
February 02 2010 22:48 GMT
#262
On February 03 2010 06:59 DaPaKMaN911 wrote:
The power outage took down flash why isn't it #1 D:

It would be a better choice than Jaedong.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
February 02 2010 22:57 GMT
#263
On February 03 2010 07:48 SimonB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2010 06:59 DaPaKMaN911 wrote:
The power outage took down flash why isn't it #1 D:

It would be a better choice than Jaedong.


Except no.

gtfo fanboi
sib-pelle
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden162 Posts
February 02 2010 23:34 GMT
#264
(T)firebathero I want to have your babies, ohh how I have waited for your return
Jangbi fanboy & Gaming Community Scientist
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 03 2010 01:25 GMT
#265
On February 02 2010 10:59 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2010 10:22 WWJDD wrote:
Power rank is always a little inconsistent. Sometimes just the performance for the month is considered. Sometimes it's looked at in the longer context. Keeping in mind those inconsistencies, I'm ok with Flash over Jaedong. Although, winning an MSL dropping just 1 game is somewhat unprecedented. GOM doesn't count.


1) Dropping a single game isn't unprecedented in a final. Many finals have been 3-0, in fact.

2) Flash got 1st place in OSL, 2nd in MSL. Jaedong Got 1st place in MSL, out in quarters of OSL (by Flash). How can Jaedong be considered above Flash? Winning a circus of an MSL isn't anywhere near close enough.

Quarters of the OSL...

First of all, happened in December, not January.

Second, was Bo3 instead of Bo5. Bo5 minimizes variation and is more reflective of the players' relative skill.

Third, more recent performance is more important than past performance. Do you think Jaedong losing to Rock and Jaedong having a 15-or-17-or-whatever game win streak in ZvP have similiar value?

Even though Flash won the OSL, I don't think that either Calm or Movie were the kind of players you'd expect to face that that stage of an OSL. I guess it's still a nice accomplishment by him, even though it was kind of an autowin after he defeated Jaedong. (Also think it'd have been an autowin for JD if he beat Flash even if Calm beat him before, but that could have been interesting)

Jaedong can be considered above Flash because 1. He's totally unstoppable in ZvP and is still the clear favorite in any ZvZ BoX even though he's been dropping quite a few ZvZs as of late. I guess Flash's TvZ is almost comparable to JD's ZvP and Flash's TvT to JD's ZvZ.

Now, the thing is, ZvT is by far Jaedong's weakest match-up, also being a historically imbalanced MU. Flash's TvZ is his stronger non-mirror MU. By far, if I may. Let's imagine for a moment that Jaedong's ZvP skill became his ZvT skill, and Flash's TvP skill and TvZ skill switched places. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Jaedong would crush Flash just about every time. It just so happens that the players' match-up profiencies favor Flash.

And even with that, Jaedong still defeated Flash in a Bo5! On the most imbalanced maps since Arena MSL. All these things considered, even if the score was something like 3-3, hell, even 4-3 in the favor of Flash, I still would consider that a plus for Jaedong on his ability to overcome such map imbalance, in his weakest match-up, in a historically imbalanced match-up. It also helps that Jaedong's vP is far superior to that of Flash.


I'm not saying that Jaedong should be above Flash in the power rank, btw. I am saying that it isn't unreasonable to all to believe so, and listed numerous reasons for why people might believe that. Seems like many people are confused by my intentions with these posts; I'm not saying JD should be above Flash, I am just listing reasons for why people would believe that to be the case and why it's not dumb.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-03 01:51:36
February 03 2010 01:51 GMT
#266
Rofl, Calm totally isn't a player worthy of a semifinal? That's audacious.

Also you're taking points to the extreme. Something that happened late in December is obviously more relevant than something that happened 3 years ago. Just like how in 3 years, these games won't affect the power rank. Usually things out of the month that are still worth remembering are achievements that happened during the same season.
Remember Violet.
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
February 03 2010 02:19 GMT
#267
The PR has always taken into account past performance, it just has a much higher "decay" than something like Kespa.

And as TTT says, JD -> Calm -> Movie is not a trivial OSL run
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13921 Posts
February 03 2010 02:24 GMT
#268
can't believe flash over jaedong
You talk about if they played again, sure if they played again on the same biased tvz maps flash would with out a doubt have the upper hand, but its about now. Flash said when he lost that he new jaedong was the superior player QQ

next month the #1 ranking will be yours again
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
February 03 2010 02:42 GMT
#269
WOOO Really's TLPR debut is #4 woooooooo
Hi.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-03 02:55:46
February 03 2010 02:55 GMT
#270
On February 03 2010 10:25 Shikyo wrote:
And even with that, Jaedong still defeated Flash in a Bo5! On the most imbalanced maps since Arena MSL. All these things considered, even if the score was something like 3-3, hell, even 4-3 in the favor of Flash, I still would consider that a plus for Jaedong on his ability to overcome such map imbalance, in his weakest match-up, in a historically imbalanced match-up. It also helps that Jaedong's vP is far superior to that of Flash.



Regarding map imbalance:
On February 02 2010 02:30 roMAD wrote:
(T)Miracle's opinion on the maps:
Match Point: Z>T
Fighting Spirit: Z>T
Odd-Eye: T>Z
Ultimatum: T>Z

jakel
Profile Joined January 2010
36 Posts
February 03 2010 03:02 GMT
#271
I don't understand, I'm a flash fan, but if your logic for monthly games is how you rank people, shouldn't Jaedong beat flash because he played better this month?
asdd
jakel
Profile Joined January 2010
36 Posts
February 03 2010 03:03 GMT
#272
Where did you learn that match point is Z>T and I don't think Jaedong even played a game on that map
asdd
jakel
Profile Joined January 2010
36 Posts
February 03 2010 03:03 GMT
#273
TvZ: 20-14 (58.8%) for match point
asdd
jakel
Profile Joined January 2010
36 Posts
February 03 2010 03:03 GMT
#274
for FS TvZ: 22-18 (55%)
asdd
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
February 03 2010 03:08 GMT
#275
dude don't make 4 posts when one will work, Flash didn't just play the series against Jaedong he also won OSL and dominated everything.
Hi.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
February 03 2010 03:38 GMT
#276
On February 03 2010 12:03 jakel wrote:
Where did you learn that match point is Z>T and I don't think Jaedong even played a game on that map


First of all don't write 4 posts in a row. You could have included everything is one post.

Second of all, look closer to the post I quote. FYI, (T)Miracle is a progamer, and roMAD just quoted his opinion regarding the maps. Moreover, both Flash and Fantasy stated on numerous occasions that Match Point and Fighting Spirit are good maps for Zergs.

Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
February 03 2010 03:41 GMT
#277
On February 03 2010 11:55 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2010 10:25 Shikyo wrote:
And even with that, Jaedong still defeated Flash in a Bo5! On the most imbalanced maps since Arena MSL. All these things considered, even if the score was something like 3-3, hell, even 4-3 in the favor of Flash, I still would consider that a plus for Jaedong on his ability to overcome such map imbalance, in his weakest match-up, in a historically imbalanced match-up. It also helps that Jaedong's vP is far superior to that of Flash.



Regarding map imbalance:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2010 02:30 roMAD wrote:
(T)Miracle's opinion on the maps:
Match Point: Z>T
Fighting Spirit: Z>T
Odd-Eye: T>Z
Ultimatum: T>Z


While it is certainly possible that this is true, I don't think that quoting a Terran on TvZ map imba is really valid. I'm sorry but I've followed what pros have said about maps and they always skew the imba so that it's against whatever race they play (not surprising). Find me a quote from any Zerg pro that any of the maps favour Zerg and it would have much more meaning.
Creator of LoLTool.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-03 05:38:10
February 03 2010 05:00 GMT
#278
On February 03 2010 10:25 Shikyo wrote:
Second, was Bo3 instead of Bo5. Bo5 minimizes variation and is more reflective of the players' relative skill.

The OSL wasn't a Bo3, it was a split best of three. Not a series, and a far inferior measure of skill than a Bo5.
My strategy is to fork people.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 03 2010 06:31 GMT
#279
And so is a power outage that leaves only a 2-1 conclusively.
Remember Violet.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
February 03 2010 06:52 GMT
#280
On February 03 2010 15:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
And so is a power outage that leaves only a 2-1 conclusively.

Good thing that didn't happen.
My strategy is to fork people.
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 24 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
00:00
#93
PiGStarcraft394
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft353
Nina 94
Temp0 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3431
GuemChi 2257
Calm 1060
Artosis 665
Dota 2
LuMiX0
League of Legends
Doublelift4735
JimRising 252
Counter-Strike
summit1g10382
minikerr102
Super Smash Bros
PPMD32
Other Games
Day[9].tv858
XaKoH 410
C9.Mang0322
ToD220
Maynarde148
ROOTCatZ142
ViBE105
JuggernautJason43
CosmosSc2 18
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1037
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 24
• davetesta22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 12
• RayReign 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21422
Other Games
• Day9tv858
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 51m
Kung Fu Cup
10h 51m
Replay Cast
23h 51m
The PondCast
1d 9h
INu's Battles
1d 10h
Percival vs Cure
Classic vs Clem
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs SHIN
Clem vs Solar
Serral vs Rogue
RSL Revival
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The Patches Monday
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-03
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.