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On February 03 2010 04:38 Elroi wrote:
FBH gets to play so much in Khan that he HAS to win some times... like his 6-2 record recently, he will probably be able to do that again, in a year or something. I mean statistically speaking it's not that strange, he actually wins one third of his games lol.
You mean a quarter.
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On February 03 2010 06:59 DaPaKMaN911 wrote:
The power outage took down flash why isn't it #1 D:
It would be a better choice than Jaedong.
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On February 03 2010 07:48 SimonB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 06:59 DaPaKMaN911 wrote:
The power outage took down flash why isn't it #1 D: It would be a better choice than Jaedong.
Except no.
gtfo fanboi
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 firebathero I want to have your babies, ohh how I have waited for your return
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On February 02 2010 10:59 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2010 10:22 WWJDD wrote:
Power rank is always a little inconsistent. Sometimes just the performance for the month is considered. Sometimes it's looked at in the longer context. Keeping in mind those inconsistencies, I'm ok with Flash over Jaedong. Although, winning an MSL dropping just 1 game is somewhat unprecedented. GOM doesn't count. 1) Dropping a single game isn't unprecedented in a final. Many finals have been 3-0, in fact. 2) Flash got 1st place in OSL, 2nd in MSL. Jaedong Got 1st place in MSL, out in quarters of OSL (by Flash). How can Jaedong be considered above Flash? Winning a circus of an MSL isn't anywhere near close enough.
Quarters of the OSL...
First of all, happened in December, not January.
Second, was Bo3 instead of Bo5. Bo5 minimizes variation and is more reflective of the players' relative skill.
Third, more recent performance is more important than past performance. Do you think Jaedong losing to Rock and Jaedong having a 15-or-17-or-whatever game win streak in ZvP have similiar value?
Even though Flash won the OSL, I don't think that either Calm or Movie were the kind of players you'd expect to face that that stage of an OSL. I guess it's still a nice accomplishment by him, even though it was kind of an autowin after he defeated Jaedong. (Also think it'd have been an autowin for JD if he beat Flash even if Calm beat him before, but that could have been interesting)
Jaedong can be considered above Flash because 1. He's totally unstoppable in ZvP and is still the clear favorite in any ZvZ BoX even though he's been dropping quite a few ZvZs as of late. I guess Flash's TvZ is almost comparable to JD's ZvP and Flash's TvT to JD's ZvZ.
Now, the thing is, ZvT is by far Jaedong's weakest match-up, also being a historically imbalanced MU. Flash's TvZ is his stronger non-mirror MU. By far, if I may. Let's imagine for a moment that Jaedong's ZvP skill became his ZvT skill, and Flash's TvP skill and TvZ skill switched places. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Jaedong would crush Flash just about every time. It just so happens that the players' match-up profiencies favor Flash.
And even with that, Jaedong still defeated Flash in a Bo5! On the most imbalanced maps since Arena MSL. All these things considered, even if the score was something like 3-3, hell, even 4-3 in the favor of Flash, I still would consider that a plus for Jaedong on his ability to overcome such map imbalance, in his weakest match-up, in a historically imbalanced match-up. It also helps that Jaedong's vP is far superior to that of Flash.
I'm not saying that Jaedong should be above Flash in the power rank, btw. I am saying that it isn't unreasonable to all to believe so, and listed numerous reasons for why people might believe that. Seems like many people are confused by my intentions with these posts; I'm not saying JD should be above Flash, I am just listing reasons for why people would believe that to be the case and why it's not dumb.
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Rofl, Calm totally isn't a player worthy of a semifinal? That's audacious.
Also you're taking points to the extreme. Something that happened late in December is obviously more relevant than something that happened 3 years ago. Just like how in 3 years, these games won't affect the power rank. Usually things out of the month that are still worth remembering are achievements that happened during the same season.
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The PR has always taken into account past performance, it just has a much higher "decay" than something like Kespa.
And as TTT says, JD -> Calm -> Movie is not a trivial OSL run
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can't believe flash over jaedong 
You talk about if they played again, sure if they played again on the same biased tvz maps flash would with out a doubt have the upper hand, but its about now. Flash said when he lost that he new jaedong was the superior player QQ
next month the #1 ranking will be yours again
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WOOO Really's TLPR debut is #4 woooooooo
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On February 03 2010 10:25 Shikyo wrote:
And even with that, Jaedong still defeated Flash in a Bo5! On the most imbalanced maps since Arena MSL. All these things considered, even if the score was something like 3-3, hell, even 4-3 in the favor of Flash, I still would consider that a plus for Jaedong on his ability to overcome such map imbalance, in his weakest match-up, in a historically imbalanced match-up. It also helps that Jaedong's vP is far superior to that of Flash.
Regarding map imbalance:
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I don't understand, I'm a flash fan, but if your logic for monthly games is how you rank people, shouldn't Jaedong beat flash because he played better this month?
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Where did you learn that match point is Z>T and I don't think Jaedong even played a game on that map
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TvZ: 20-14 (58.8%) for match point
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dude don't make 4 posts when one will work, Flash didn't just play the series against Jaedong he also won OSL and dominated everything.
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On February 03 2010 12:03 jakel wrote:
Where did you learn that match point is Z>T and I don't think Jaedong even played a game on that map
First of all don't write 4 posts in a row. You could have included everything is one post.
Second of all, look closer to the post I quote. FYI, Miracle is a progamer, and roMAD just quoted his opinion regarding the maps. Moreover, both Flash and Fantasy stated on numerous occasions that Match Point and Fighting Spirit are good maps for Zergs.
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On February 03 2010 11:55 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 10:25 Shikyo wrote:
And even with that, Jaedong still defeated Flash in a Bo5! On the most imbalanced maps since Arena MSL. All these things considered, even if the score was something like 3-3, hell, even 4-3 in the favor of Flash, I still would consider that a plus for Jaedong on his ability to overcome such map imbalance, in his weakest match-up, in a historically imbalanced match-up. It also helps that Jaedong's vP is far superior to that of Flash.
Regarding map imbalance:
While it is certainly possible that this is true, I don't think that quoting a Terran on TvZ map imba is really valid. I'm sorry but I've followed what pros have said about maps and they always skew the imba so that it's against whatever race they play (not surprising). Find me a quote from any Zerg pro that any of the maps favour Zerg and it would have much more meaning.
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On February 03 2010 10:25 Shikyo wrote:
Second, was Bo3 instead of Bo5. Bo5 minimizes variation and is more reflective of the players' relative skill.
The OSL wasn't a Bo3, it was a split best of three. Not a series, and a far inferior measure of skill than a Bo5.
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And so is a power outage that leaves only a 2-1 conclusively.
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On February 03 2010 15:31 TwoToneTerran wrote:
And so is a power outage that leaves only a 2-1 conclusively.
Good thing that didn't happen.
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