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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
January 28 2010 00:10 GMT
#721
On January 28 2010 08:38 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
1. (T)Flash - NO GAIN - Flash played brilliantly in both his OSL finals. A minor slip up in the MSL finals (game 3) is what I believe cost him the title. He DID however go on to roll Jaedong in WL just a few days later so..


He didn't really roll Jaedong. Jaedong rolled Flash and then, sadly, proceeded to hyuk himself something fierce =/

Not saying Flash' shouldn't be #1 though, he definitely should.
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 00:57:03
January 28 2010 00:53 GMT
#722
Sea does not deserve #5, that's really stupid fanboyism and he's lucky to be on the PR at all. There are other players who both do well in PL and individual leagues and they all deserve to be ahead of Sea. Zero, Kal, Movie, Bisu, Stork, Jaedong, Flash, and Kwanro are unquestionably above Sea in value right now. Really is probably up there, too.

Right now I'm seeing:

(T)Flash
(Z)Jaedong
(P)Stork
(P)Kal
(P)Bisu
(P)Movie
(Z)Kwanro
(Z)ZerO
(T)Really
(T)Sea

As a solid result. More realistically, however:

1. Kespa
2. (T)Flash
3. (Z)Jaedong

the last wcs commissioner
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 01:58:44
January 28 2010 01:57 GMT
#723
Why would Bisu get back on the list for going 2-2 against mediocre opponents?
Remember Violet.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
January 28 2010 02:05 GMT
#724
And what did Kal do to jump from #10 to #4, apart from going 0-4 against Jaedong?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Glacius
Profile Joined December 2008
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 18:45:29
January 28 2010 02:44 GMT
#725
Just my opinion:

1. (T)Flash (17-7) The OSL winner. (T)Flash played 10 more games than (Z)Jaedong and made 2 starleague finals so he gets 1.
2. (Z)Jaedong (11-3) The MSL winner who beat the OSL winner. Beat (T)Flash convincingly in the MSL. Not sure what would have happened in game 4 without the power outage but he outplayed (T)Flash in games 1 and 3. Forgetting consume is silly >.<

(Gap)

3. (Z)Kwanro (8-4; win over (T)Light) Without (T)Flash in the picture he’s 7-1. Also during his games against (T)Flash, he didn’t look too bad. If he hadn’t gone guardian in 2 games, they probably would have been a lot closer. (Z)Kwanro needs some respect lol.
4. (Z)Calm (5-5; wins over (P)Violet, (Z)RorO) Like (Z)Kwanro, he record would be pretty good if (T)Flash didn’t exist seeing as he lost to him 4 times this month. No reason to think his game has dropped.
5. (T)Really (7-2; wins over (T)Mind, (T)fantasy, (T)Flash) (T)Really, an eSTRO Terran? (T)Really has been destroying a bunch of high caliber players, including breaking (T)Flash’s monster TvT streak, and becomes the first eSTRO player to achieve what was though impossible for the team…a 50% overall win rate.
6. (T)Leta (7-1; wins over (Z)EffOrt, (T)fantasy, (T)Light) (T)Leta has been quietly destroying proleague this month. Hopefully this will translate into individual leagues eventually.
7. (T)fantasy (5-3; wins over (P)JangBi, (Z)ZerO, (T)Sea) (T)fantasy managed to beat one of the best ZvT, one of the best PvT, and one of the best TvT. His Only losses are to (T)Really and (T)Leta, who are both higher than him.
8. (Z)ZerO (5-3; wins over (T)HiyA, Best) (Z)ZerO has been playing solid, but the players he won against aren’t exactly known for their vZ.
9. (P)Stork (3-3; win over (T)fantasy) (P)Stork hasn’t done too well, but maintains a low spot because the people he lost to is nothing to be ashamed about. 2 of those were (T)HiyA and (T)Flash, who are known for there TvP. However, (P)Stork better do better next month.
10. (P)Kal (6-7; wins over (T)Hwasin, (Z)RorO) Yes, (P)Kal has a losing record, but 4 of those losses were to JD so I can’t fault him too much for that. Like (P)Stork, he has to perform better next month if he wants to remain on the PR.

CBNC
(P)free (4-1; win over (Z)EffOrt)
(T)sKyHigh (4-2; wins over (T)Sea, (T)Light, (T)Really) Wins over really good TvT players is a good start.
(T)HiyA (7-3; wins over (P)Violet, (P)Stork, (P)JangBi) (T)HiyA has a good record but has to prove he can take out top programers who aren’t Protoss.
(T)Sea (2-2; win over (T)Leta) (T)Sea lost 2 games in his best match up. Hopefully he can turn this around.

Some of the lower ranks of the PR could be switched with some of those in CBNC. 3-10 were pretty hard to rank lol.

edit: (P)Movie (5-8; wins against (Z)Shine, (T)Flash) (P)Kal and (P)Movie are similar in that they haven't been doing too well after individual leagues. (P)Kal may have lost to JD slightly more horribly (I didn't think games 2 and 3 were that bad) than (P)Movie lost to (T)Flash, but he still has a losing record after discounting his games with (T)Flash. I guess losing to 72% ZvP (Z)HoGiL is fine, but not (Z)hyvaa and (P)GuemChi, even if he is a bonjwa. I didn't see his game against (T)UpMaGiC so I don't know whether he pulled something crazy that game. So I guess (P)Movie can be added to CBNC imo just for being an OSL finalist.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 28 2010 04:42 GMT
#726
I hope it's made clear just how huge the gap between (Flash/JD) and everybody else is right now. Those two are are balanced on a razor's edge, but nobody else is even remotely close to them.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 28 2010 09:25 GMT
#727
On January 28 2010 13:42 Hinanawi wrote:
I hope it's made clear just how huge the gap between (Flash/JD) and everybody else is right now. Those two are are balanced on a razor's edge, but nobody else is even remotely close to them.


yeah, if the PR was fair JD/Flash would be in all ten spots
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 28 2010 09:54 GMT
#728
I guess this is how it feels to have too bonjwas at the same time. Being bonjwas or not...
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 13:40:59
January 28 2010 13:27 GMT
#729
After the horrible discrimination of Calm last month i wouldn't mind seeing him up the power rank at least above Sea , Kwanro , Zero , shine but perhaps not above Movie and Stork not that i think anyone has done anything note wordy this month .

There have been good perfomances from players like , leta , really , hiya ...... and alot more but i have no idea how to rank them ....
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
January 28 2010 14:06 GMT
#730
I'm pretty sure GuemChi should be rank #1 next month, with everyone else in a distant #2-10.
Zero fighting.
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada951 Posts
January 28 2010 14:21 GMT
#731
I can agree with flash being above jaedong for purely results, but its kind of hard to deny that jaedong is the better player with the way their games have turned out.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 28 2010 14:30 GMT
#732
On January 28 2010 23:21 Little-Chimp wrote:
I can agree with flash being above jaedong for purely results, but its kind of hard to deny that jaedong is the better player with the way their games have turned out.


You can't really base whos the better player out of their recent games imo.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 15:49:59
January 28 2010 15:45 GMT
#733
On January 28 2010 10:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Why would Bisu get back on the list for going 2-2 against mediocre opponents?

Because he never should have been off the list. He could conceivably be at a low spot but he's got the #3 proleague record and is still one of the best players in the game by an objective record. Look at the list of players and tell me who you would bet on in a best of 5 between Bisu and virtually any other player - there's maybe 3-4 names where you would bet against Bisu, and that's it.

And I don't even really like Bisu.

On January 28 2010 11:05 okum wrote:
And what did Kal do to jump from #10 to #4, apart from going 0-4 against Jaedong?


Kal probably should have been #4 or 5 last month, and you're right he shouldn't be 4 this month, but he's played better overall in the last 2 months than a lot of the names people are ranking above him. He's current acting ACE on the #1 team from last round of PL, has a great record vs non-JD opponents, made the MSL semis, and is generally playing great overall SC.
the last wcs commissioner
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 28 2010 16:16 GMT
#734
On January 27 2010 16:20 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 21:53 Salteador Neo wrote:
So between both Oz vs KT and MBC vs Hite (that's 13 games) there was only one Protoss appearance. Not even while terrans are pwning around, they just send other terrans or zergs.

And that protoss lost his game.

Protoss is so ez race lol.

Guemchi all-kill. Protoss ez race indeed.


Well Guemchi is bonjwa so no big deal xD
Revolutionist fan
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 28 2010 17:07 GMT
#735
On January 29 2010 00:45 tedster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 10:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Why would Bisu get back on the list for going 2-2 against mediocre opponents?

Because he never should have been off the list. He could conceivably be at a low spot but he's got the #3 proleague record and is still one of the best players in the game by an objective record. Look at the list of players and tell me who you would bet on in a best of 5 between Bisu and virtually any other player - there's maybe 3-4 names where you would bet against Bisu, and that's it.

And I don't even really like Bisu.


Bisu hasn't played WELL in quite a while - the only reason his drop off the PR was so jarring is that he gained ground despite having a worse month in November than he did in December. He failed to make a Ro8 appearance in either starleague this season, and most of his losses are to players he had no business losing to - Firebathero, CuteAngel, Bogus, Guemchi, and Haksoo. He was underplaced slightly, and Sea was likewise slightly overplaced, but honestly? Flash and Violet are a far more acceptable pair of losses than Guemchi and Bogus.

Bisu simply doesn't deserve to gain ground against similar-skilled players until he stops dropping half of his games to far weaker players while dropping out of starleagues early. I know it's a slanted point of view as an anti-fan, but he simply did not provide the quality of game (or the results) of any of the players on this month's power ranking, and nothing's really changed with him. If he gets back on, it will be because of fewer players clamoring for results, and that doesn't seem to be the case.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
TarsTarkas
Profile Joined April 2007
United States169 Posts
January 28 2010 17:22 GMT
#736
On January 28 2010 11:44 Glacius wrote:
Just my opinion:

+ Show Spoiler +
1. (T)Flash (17-7) The OSL winner. (T)Flash played 10 more games than (Z)Jaedong and made 2 starleague finals so he gets 1.
2. (Z)Jaedong (11-3) The MSL winner who beat the OSL winner. Beat (T)Flash convincingly in the MSL. Not sure what would have happened in game 4 without the power outage but he outplayed (T)Flash in games 1 and 3. Forgetting consume is silly >.<

(Gap)

3. (Z)Kwanro (8-4; win over (T)Light) Without (T)Flash in the picture he’s 7-1. Also during his games against (T)Flash, he didn’t look too bad. If he hadn’t gone guardian in 2 games, they probably would have been a lot closer. (Z)Kwanro needs some respect lol.
4. (Z)Calm (5-5; wins over (P)Violet, (Z)RorO) Like (Z)Kwanro, he record would be pretty good if (T)Flash didn’t exist seeing as he lost to him 4 times this month. No reason to think his game has dropped.
5. (T)Really (7-2; wins over (T)Mind, (T)fantasy, (T)Flash) (T)Really, an eSTRO Terran? (T)Really has been destroying a bunch of high caliber players, including breaking (T)Flash’s monster TvT streak, and becomes the first eSTRO player to achieve what was though impossible for the team…a 50% overall win rate.
6. (T)Leta (7-1; wins over (Z)EffOrt, (T)fantasy, (T)Light) (T)Leta has been quietly destroying proleague this month. Hopefully this will translate into individual leagues eventually.
7. (T)fantasy (5-3; wins over (P)JangBi, (Z)ZerO, (T)Sea) (T)fantasy managed to beat one of the best ZvT, one of the best PvT, and one of the best TvT. His Only losses are to (T)Really and (T)Leta, who are both higher than him.
8. (Z)ZerO (5-3; wins over (T)HiyA, Best) (Z)ZerO has been playing solid, but the players he won against aren’t exactly known for their vZ.
9. (P)Stork (3-3; win over (T)fantasy) (P)Stork hasn’t done too well, but maintains a low spot because the people he lost to is nothing to be ashamed about. 2 of those were (T)HiyA and (T)Flash, who are known for there TvP. However, (P)Stork better do better next month.
10. (P)Kal (6-7; wins over (T)Hwasin, (Z)RorO) Yes, (P)Kal has a losing record, but 4 of those losses were to JD so I can’t fault him too much for that. Like (P)Stork, he has to perform better next month if he wants to remain on the PR.

CBNC
(P)free (4-1; win over (Z)EffOrt)
(T)sKyHigh (4-2; wins over (T)Sea, (T)Light, (T)Really) Wins over really good TvT players is a good start.
(T)HiyA (7-3; wins over (P)Violet, (P)Stork, (P)JangBi) (T)HiyA has a good record but has to prove he can take out top programers who aren’t Protoss.
(T)Sea (2-2; win over (T)Leta) (T)Sea lost 2 games in his best match up. Hopefully he can turn this around.

Some of the lower ranks of the PR could be switched with some of those in CBNC. 3-10 were pretty hard to rank lol.


Where is Movie? He certainly deserves a low spot I think, more than Kal does in any case. Kal failed horribly against Jaedong, loosing in poor fashion. Flash vs. Movie may have been analagous to a bulldozer trying to kill a racoon, but at least movie made it entertaining.
Those who think they know everything, are very annoying to those of us who do. - Mark Twain
Hugo(Sphere)
Profile Joined July 2008
United States44 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 18:51:24
January 28 2010 18:48 GMT
#737
I can agree with flash being above jaedong for purely results, but its kind of hard to deny that jaedong is the better player with the way their games have turned out.


Flash 4-3 in the last couple months. Good point.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 28 2010 20:13 GMT
#738
On January 28 2010 23:21 Little-Chimp wrote:
I can agree with flash being above jaedong for purely results, but its kind of hard to deny that jaedong is the better player with the way their games have turned out.


I deny it.

Flash has the winning record, and they've traded dominating games and close games. That's about it.
Remember Violet.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
January 28 2010 21:42 GMT
#739
On January 29 2010 05:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 23:21 Little-Chimp wrote:
I can agree with flash being above jaedong for purely results, but its kind of hard to deny that jaedong is the better player with the way their games have turned out.


I deny it.

Flash has the winning record, and they've traded dominating games and close games. That's about it.

+1
One ring, to rule them all!
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada951 Posts
January 28 2010 22:54 GMT
#740
lol one of those games flash cheesed and the other jaedong was raping flash then was a dumbass and forgot consume. He still beat flash where it counted, the msl finals.
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