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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-20 16:34:30
July 20 2008 10:14 GMT
#1
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Every so often a darkhorse makes it to the finals of the MSL. There was Kal in S4 ,Bisu in S1 and Mind in S3. All 3 of these players were cast aside as whims and flukes. Then Bisu 3-0ed sAviOr, Kal suddenly became one of the hottest new players despite losing 3-1 to Jaedong, and Mind took down: sAviOr, oov, and finally Bisu in the finals.

This year there is a new underdog, a player most had little, if any, respect for before now. Many didn't expect fOrGG to take down Sea, Flash, or Kal who are all powerhouses in their respective races. fOrGG 2-0ed Sea (45-25 vs T), went 3-2 with Kal (25-16 vs T), and finished 3-1 with Flash (30-14 vs T).

But even with these impressive victories, fOrGG has yet to be tested TvZ in this MSL having only had Terran and Protoss opponents. Statistically fOrGG shows great promise against Zerg having gone 5-2 vs Z in 2008. But sadly those that have followed his TvZ will know that despite having macro that can compete with iloveoov, he lacks management of his army. This has proved problematic in many of his matches (see his game vs YarnC). This just won't fly vs a player of Jaedong's caliber (50-29 vs T).

Hopefully, fOrGG has stepped up his game now that he has to play the #1 Zerg in progaming. With his impressive play against Flash we are given hope that since he has improved his once mediocre TvT he has also improved his TvZ.

Now to discuss the man many expect to 3-0 fOrGG, the hottest Zerg right now, Lee Jae Dong! There isn't much to say about Jaedong that can't be seen by just watching one of his games. He is excellent at mutlitasking, has incredible play in all 3 of his match ups, and occasionally shows how creative he can by showcasing some unique builds.

Statistically you would expect Jaedong to demolish fOrGG but lately his ZvT has shown some problems. While his ZvP has been impeccable he has been known to drop the ball vs T in recent games. He seems to have snapped out of that with his 3-1 victory over Hwasin but he has proven to be far from immune to creative builds (see his game vs Casy on Hwarangdo) and can sometimes fall apart unexpectedly. Regardless of these occasional issues Jaedong is still the clear favorite in this series.

+ Show Spoiler [The Journey So Far] +
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LosingID8 wrote:
I predict ForGG to win the finals. People have doubted ForGG this entire tournament, but he's been upsetting people left and right. His Achilles Heel was his TvT, but in this MSL alone he beat Sea[Shield] 2-0 where he was previously 0-6 against him, and he took a Bo5 against Flash 3-1. Other than TvT, ForGG's greatest weakness is that he has very little experience in Bo5's. But the series against Flash shows that ForGG is an expert at analyzing his opponent's playstyle and preparing excellent counter-builds to exploit their tendencies. This is especially relevant as ForGG and Jaedong are teammates. If he was able to destroy Flash so easily, who's to say he can't do the same with Jaedong? My prediction: ForGG 3 - 2 Jaedong.


thedeadhaji wrote:
I expect at least one game from each player where they use a semi-cheese build, just from the fact that they are teammates, know each other in and out, and both have a match history peppered with cheese-ish openings when you least expect it. If Jaedong can force a multitasking style game on fOrGG, he's clearly the favorite. However, if fOrGG can contain the game to one focal point throughout its progression, his improved micro and godly-as-always macro should take him a long ways. I do hope that there will be at least one straight up game where Jaedong goes 3 hatch mutas and fOrGG goes 1 rax fe, because Tl.net will see the ridiculousness of fOrGG's army going out to kill Jaedong's 3rd gas while having another full force to defend. fOrGG has the potential to reinvent the Terran race as we recognize it today, and while most of you will dismiss these comments of a biased Lecaf fan, I will urge you to pay close attention to the beginning of something potential special


Chill wrote:
ForGG beat Flash by doing his homework; he guessed right on Flash's common builds and punished him for it three times. Unfortunately for him, Jaedong's style seems to be a little more resilient than Flash's (Jaedong vs Lomo @ Katrina anyone?) and will most likely not fall to prepared strategies. Although Colosseum could cause a few problems, I still expect Jaedong to steam roll ForGG in straight sets.

Jaedong 3-0 ForGG


FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Flash lost to fOrGG because he was inflexible during the series. However, Jaedong is adaptive and clever and he's not going to lose. Jaedong will win 3-1, he'll lose the first game or the game on Tiamat, either way he'll win 3-1.




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Set 1: Colosseum


Statistically Colosseum favors Terran (5-2 vs Z) and it seems Zergs tend to try unorthodox builds here (Guardians from Calm when he played Mind, 2 hatch lurker from in the Jaedong vs Hwasi match) due to the map imbalance. I don't know if this will play out in fOrGG's favor or Jaedong's but considering how well Jaedong executed his 2 hatch lurker build vs Hwasin I can't see fOrGG handling this very well due to lacking the micro mechanics that Hwasin has and Hwasin still succumbed to this build. One problem that Jaedong may face if he decides to take the usual 3rd base as he did vs Hwasin is fOrGG abusing the two entrances, forcing to Jaedong to give up map control to defend both entrances. But if Jaedong takes one of the naturals with 1 ramp this shouldn't be a problem. I see Jaedong taking the game in a straight match or an unorthodox match. I can't really imagine fOrGG trying an all-in or cheese here so it will be upon Jaedong whether the game deviates from standard play. Either way Jaedong will take this set.

(Z)Jaedong 1-0 (T)fOrGG


Set 2: Othello


Othello is quite possibly one of the most balanced maps in all of progaming right. Statistically it is 15-9 TvZ but many of the games consisted of one player that was much better than his opponent dominating the other player (Hwasin vs MinGu, Sea vs Hyuk, Mind vs Hyun, RuBy vs ZerO), so it's not really a question of imbalance more of who's the better player or who has the better strategy. The last game we saw of fOrGG on here he opened up with a very aggressive bunker rush vs YarnC then proceeded to dominate him with macro despite handling his units very poorly. Jaedong has also won on Othello against Hwasin so both players are experienced here. I believe fOrGG will win if he has a creative build to use but if he decides to take it into a macro/standard TvZ he will get demolished.

I believe this set can go either way but most likely in Jaedong's favor.

(Z)Jaedong 2-0 (T)fOrGG


Set 3: Tiamat


Tiamat is relatively new and only has 4 TvZ games on it (4-0 in favor of T) so balance is not really known at this point for this map but it seems like it heavily favors Terran. In the Hwasin vs Jaedong series both opted for standard play and Jaedong was taken down in short order. Jaedong's play in that game left a lot to be desired so hopefully he is better prepared for his game vs fOrGG on this map. I believe Jaedong will decide to go standard play on this map but from fOrGG anything is possible, a cheese or all-in or standard play is all possible from him. Either way I think fOrGG will take this down just because it is very strong in favor of Terran.

(Z)Jaedong 2-1 (T)fOrGG


Set 4: Athena


Athena, like Tiamat is a new map with very few games played on it (4 games for TvZ with 2-2 as the result). Jaedong 4 pooled Hwasin here so we don't know whether he will do another cheese against fOrGG or go for standard play but I think it will go to Jaedong either way and end the series making Jaedong your current MSL champion.

(Z)Jaedong 3-1 (T)fOrGG


Note this final prediction is written for in the event the series does go to the 5th set.

Set 5: Colosseum


Assuming that fOrGG is able to make the series 2-2 and take it to the 5th and final set, I believe it will go similar to how the first set on this map went but with the possibility of a cheese or some kind of all in from fOrGG. Either way Jaedong takes this set down and win the Arena MSL finals.

(Z)Jaedong 3-2 (T)fOrGG




Final Notes:

Whatever the outcome I think this series will be very exciting for the fans and the players. Both players are playing very well now so the games should be of a high quality and very entertaining.

Thanks for reading and I hope you enjoy the Arena MSL Finals!



Thanks to Plexa for editing and ideas.
Thanks to Smurg for the map line-up image and editing.
Thanks to Chill for ideas and editing.
Thanks to pachi for the banners.
Thanks to fomos.kr for the pictures of Jaedong/fOrGG.
fredd
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Estonia256 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-20 10:18:07
July 20 2008 10:17 GMT
#2
ForGG looks rather retarded on the main banner
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
July 20 2008 10:36 GMT
#3
On July 20 2008 19:17 fredd wrote:
ForGG looks rather retarded on the main banner

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Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
July 20 2008 10:40 GMT
#4
Nice writeup, good read =)

I think it'll be a 3-1 victory for JD aswell. Might loose to a sunkenbreak, but tbh... It might aswell be a 3-0, because I think JD has learned and adapt EXTREMLY well to cheese/rushes that if you dont execute it perfectly, you're going to loose, and considering forGGs missmicro at times, I have a hard time to belive he'll make it out with even 1 game.

That's giving him to little credit though, because ForGG has been a favourite of mine since he beat Sea in this MSL, and has improved shitloads. Even if he looses here I think he's made a really strong name for himself.

I expect some good games
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Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
July 20 2008 10:42 GMT
#5
On July 20 2008 19:36 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2008 19:17 fredd wrote:
(T)fOrGG looks rather retarded on the main banner



Nice write up.

I hate you (T)fOrGG I HATE YOU!
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StrikeFLOW
Profile Joined July 2008
United States369 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-20 10:53:47
July 20 2008 10:53 GMT
#6
I cannot agree more with the predictions.

(Z)Jaedong will roll (T)fOrGG like he just rolled (P)Shuttle

also

On July 20 2008 19:17 fredd wrote:
ForGG looks rather retarded on the main banner

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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
July 20 2008 10:57 GMT
#7
Hwasin only succumbed to the 2 hatch build because he didnt kill the hatch with his first group of m&m and stupidly lost his units, I doubt jaedong will use that build again.
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3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
July 20 2008 11:12 GMT
#8
Read my signature?
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
July 20 2008 11:43 GMT
#9
fOrGG has something to prove which makes him very dangerous. He looked very competent in the best of 5 against Flash, showing no nerves at all.
I expect fOrGG to try a few all-ins, Zerg has less options in this regard but I still expect a surprise or two from JD.
Neither has played much ZvT lately either.
Add to the mix the fact they are teammates and you have yourself a FANTASTIC match-up.

This could be a real classic and I hope it lives up to expectations.
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SingletonWilliam
Profile Joined April 2008
United States664 Posts
July 20 2008 11:52 GMT
#10
ForGG doesn't have a chance. The sooner you give up hope the less it will sting,
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 20 2008 11:59 GMT
#11
i seem to remember people saying July didnt have a chance either..

ForGG 3-2 eZ
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
July 20 2008 12:02 GMT
#12
GO JARED GOOOOOOO!!!!! <3
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mish_ka
Profile Joined June 2008
Bulgaria26 Posts
July 20 2008 12:41 GMT
#13
I hope for forgg to win this. go go, macro terran
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 20 2008 12:43 GMT
#14
ForGG without doubt did his homework against Flash, he knew that Flash was going for a macro oriented play and he knew that he can't match Flash's macro so he cheesed/proxied Flash. Jaedong has some pretty good numbers on his ZvT. The only players that were able to show some decent macro war against JaeDong were Flash and Hwasin. ForGG didn't play Hwasin so we can't judge if ForGG is somewhere in Hwasins caliber. ForGG proxied Flash and I think game 3 became a macro war where ForGG lost and from there, I think ForGG needs to shape up his macro or at least his army control. I think ForGG knows that he has two ways to win, cheese/proxy JaeDong or pull out some Godlike macro and army control to win him his MSL.

Jaedong is a ZvT monster no doubt. His macro and multitasking is somewhat unmatchable, I pissed my pants when I watched his games against Hwasin and it somewhat tells me that any Terran that decides to go to a macro war against Jaedong will lose. I also think that Jaedong will anticipate proxy or cheese against ForGG since he knows that he will win if ForGG macros against him or anything.


I'm rooting for the underdog here as always, ForGG 3-2.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-20 13:16:34
July 20 2008 13:15 GMT
#15
Jaedong 3-0

On July 20 2008 19:17 fredd wrote:
ForGG looks rather retarded on the main banner

Yep.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 20 2008 13:16 GMT
#16
JAEDGON FTWWWW ZERGS FIGHTING DONT LET PURE MACRO TERRAN WIN MSL nevarrrr!

great write up i can't wait for this finals! :D
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ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
July 20 2008 13:20 GMT
#17
sigh.....

(Z)July-(P)BeSt series > (T)Never-(Z)Jaedong series

Anyway, GO JAEDONG!!
tre2ettsexsju
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden248 Posts
July 20 2008 13:25 GMT
#18
I will cry blood if Jaedong loses ;< Hope to see some great games, can't wait!
Thanks for the nice write-up :>

Were Athena and Tiamat in the latest update of kespa maps? Anyway, I like Andromeda more ;<
but Colosseum is great so overall I'm happy!
Axidboy
Profile Joined April 2007
Latvia95 Posts
July 20 2008 13:40 GMT
#19
I'm with LoosingID on this final and i deffinetly don't see forgg getting steam rolled. When two team mates play throw statistics out, everyone expected Iris to get steam rolled in shinan 3 vs savior and that went on to become epic series. I would expect close games, with presure being on Jaedong as he is clear favorite here, and being clear favorite against player who knows your play insideout is tricky....
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
July 20 2008 13:46 GMT
#20
ForGG is gonna get stomped. Jaedong ripped apart the Red Sniper easy. 3-0 vs Froggy here.
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Uraeus
Profile Joined February 2008
France1378 Posts
July 20 2008 13:51 GMT
#21
On July 20 2008 21:43 SilverSkyLark wrote:
I think ForGG needs to shape up his macro or at least his army control.

Improve his macro? No way he can. He already has the best macro among Terrans, and arguably the best macro in the proscene.
His army control has a lot of room for improvement though. His micro is less terrible now, but still far from good.
If Jaedong is clearly the favourite here, I wouldn't count fOrGG out too fast. Being team mates, they must know each other's build very well, and fOrGG has showed he can adapt his opponent.
I expect great games from these guys, and hope for a crazy comeback by whoever you want, so some conspiracy theorists can make a whole thread about explaining how/why the games were rigged.
And I don't care who wins, because either the MSL goes to LECAF!!!
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bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
July 20 2008 14:48 GMT
#22
Can't wait for retarded conspiracy theorists posting about ForGG throwing games for Jaedong
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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
July 20 2008 16:08 GMT
#23
the names in the banner should be reversed... someone who isn't really into the pro scene will think forgg is jaedong and the other way around.

btw forgg fighting!
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
July 20 2008 16:11 GMT
#24
good writeup!

just two quick comments:
1st, like jhNz said, switch the two names around on the banner
2nd, darkhorses? what about Mind in S4?
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Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-20 16:55:15
July 20 2008 16:30 GMT
#25
what the fuck...jarhead wrote a news entry? and it's a MSL final preview/predictions article? did i wake up in bizarro world?

seriously though, nice writeup pitseleh. s2 i was only kidding! oh and yeah jaedong is just waaaaaaaaaaay the hell too good for forGG, and has experience playing in the Finals. my prediction is, 3-1
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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
July 20 2008 16:31 GMT
#26
On July 21 2008 01:11 LosingID8 wrote:
good writeup!

just two quick comments:
1st, like jhNz said, switch the two names around on the banner
2nd, darkhorses? what about Mind in S4?

Ah! How could I forget about Mind? I'll add him immediately.

Concerning the banner: I didn't make, nor have the skill or ability to edit it. Even if I did it's pachi's work so I wouldn't tamper with it and I think it look's despite a slight imperfection.
SixSongs
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Poland1455 Posts
July 20 2008 16:34 GMT
#27
I think Jaedong will rape the shit out of poor forGG. However it would be more interesting if forGG could steal a game or two. We will see, I predict 3-0.
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DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
July 20 2008 16:37 GMT
#28
On July 20 2008 20:59 arb wrote:
i seem to remember people saying July didnt have a chance either..

ForGG 3-2 eZ

Yes, well July has been a contender in the scene for years and everyone knows he can be a dangerous opponent any place and any time. So he doesn't really count does he? The players mentioned rose out of obscurity to be great, July was already great.
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-20 17:01:59
July 20 2008 16:55 GMT
#29
ForGG will win 3-1, losing the first set.


On October 10 2007 06:59 Hot_Bid wrote:
[*]If ForGG ever learns how to properly micro, watch out. His macro is like he listens to a subliminal "we require more minerals" message every night while he sleeps. It is funny how many units he makes and even funnier how many he then loses with sloppy control. He is already good enough to be a solid Proleague contributor (10-8), and if he learns how to use those blobs of units he makes, he could be a champion


I think that he will learn how to use his units
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
July 20 2008 18:43 GMT
#30
JD will rape imo, but as you said Forgg had to beat a lot of powerehouses to get there so we never know ...

nice write up
w/e
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
July 20 2008 19:17 GMT
#31
I hope this will be epic since this is a teammate finals! My prediction would be forGG 3-1!
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Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
July 20 2008 19:22 GMT
#32
Nice writeup, DeadVessel , thank you very much .

In my opinion Jaedong will win this series with straight 3-0 or if not - 3-1 (dropping the game on Tiamat) . Even if ForGG manages to hold until game 5 (wins on Tiamat and Athena) - he will lose it, because of the great pressure .
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
July 20 2008 20:51 GMT
#33
I think ForGG will take it in 5 because they are teammates and the map pool is T>Z
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obloquy
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States265 Posts
July 20 2008 23:39 GMT
#34
I'm REALLY looking forward to this. I just hope it's not one-sided, like July and Best.
That was an unknown unknown.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
July 21 2008 01:13 GMT
#35
Where did you get that picture of Jaedong? It looks like he's performing a magic trick...to steal the MSL trophy. Actually, is there an MSL trophy?
Jaedong
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
July 21 2008 02:42 GMT
#36
On July 20 2008 19:17 fredd wrote:
ForGG looks rather retarded on the main banner


so does jaedong
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 21 2008 03:52 GMT
#37
if ForGG manages to shape up his army micro then he get can a game off Jaedong (like mass resotration on plagued uniits, or mass dmatrix), then he can proxy his 2 other games to victory. Hahaha, I'm looking forward to a close series.^^
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 21 2008 06:19 GMT
#38
forgg has looked really really good in his prevous games in this season. That being said, Jaedong has experience on his side, and forgg's lack of unit control should prove to be his downfall against everything from stop lurker to defending against muta.

3-1 jaedong
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c0stc0dud1
Profile Joined January 2008
United States144 Posts
July 21 2008 07:35 GMT
#39
Jaedong is a ZvT monster no doubt. His macro and multitasking is somewhat unmatchable, I pissed my pants when I watched his games against Hwasin and it somewhat tells me that any Terran that decides to go to a macro war against Jaedong will lose. I also think that Jaedong will anticipate proxy or cheese against ForGG since he knows that he will win if ForGG macros against him or anything.


I've seen Mind macro steamroll Jaedong...
Raiju
Profile Joined December 2007
Australia235 Posts
July 21 2008 07:44 GMT
#40
forGG better do something good 4 denying us Flash vs Jaedong.
nezera
Profile Joined March 2008
Indonesia176 Posts
July 21 2008 08:03 GMT
#41
3-0 JD
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
July 21 2008 11:47 GMT
#42
3-1 JD
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
July 21 2008 12:09 GMT
#43
3-2 to anyone, ForGG has something up his sleeve for denying us JaeDong vs Flash, he better has something good..
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PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
July 21 2008 12:10 GMT
#44
the only way this can become interesting is to have forGG winning
Gingerkid
Profile Joined July 2008
Albania23 Posts
July 22 2008 02:49 GMT
#45
On July 21 2008 16:35 c0stc0dud1 wrote:
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Jaedong is a ZvT monster no doubt. His macro and multitasking is somewhat unmatchable, I pissed my pants when I watched his games against Hwasin and it somewhat tells me that any Terran that decides to go to a macro war against Jaedong will lose. I also think that Jaedong will anticipate proxy or cheese against ForGG since he knows that he will win if ForGG macros against him or anything.


I've seen Mind macro steamroll Jaedong...


Proleague games which mean nothing when it comes to starleagues, you can ask Bisu about that.

And if I remember Mind got handled 3-1 in their BO5 so yeah...




Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1654 Posts
July 22 2008 05:37 GMT
#46
If anyone is going to beat Jaedong in a Bo5, it'll be his teammate.

I'm expecting that ForGG's chances are much higher than Flash's chances had Flash advanced to the finals.
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
July 26 2008 10:08 GMT
#47
looks like haji and i were correct!
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Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
July 26 2008 17:45 GMT
#48
Wow...talk about a sharp left turn there for a lot of people.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
Shinrei
Profile Joined February 2007
United States237 Posts
July 26 2008 18:06 GMT
#49
fOrGG won 3-0.... Hope you all learned your lesson.
=^.^=
Shinrei
Profile Joined February 2007
United States237 Posts
July 26 2008 18:14 GMT
#50
fOrGG didn't just beat him either... He massacred him and outplayed Jaedong BIG TIME... Welcome new champion.
=^.^=
Groceryheist
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States57 Posts
July 26 2008 20:07 GMT
#51
Lawl Troll
I am D again!
YazorblaZZ
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden2 Posts
July 26 2008 20:24 GMT
#52
lol.. it kind of got awfully quiet here all the sudden :D
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
July 26 2008 22:59 GMT
#53
On July 27 2008 03:06 Shinrei wrote:
fOrGG won 3-0.... Hope you all learned your lesson.


On July 27 2008 03:14 Shinrei wrote:
fOrGG didn't just beat him either... He massacred him and outplayed Jaedong BIG TIME... Welcome new champion.


i wouldn't call it a massacre & big time. The 1st game, Jaedong tried a cheese sunk rush with 8 pool but that failed and that left him behind a lot and there is no coming back from such a huge economic gap

2nd game, I agree that Jaedong lost on this game fair + square but it really wasn't forGG's excellent skills that gave him the win, it was Jaedong's failure to micro his lurkers + flank that lead to his loss. More of Jaedong's micro mistakes than forGG's playing affected the outcome

3rd game, was on map Tiamat. A lot of people expected Jaedong to lose or have heavy disadvantage on this terran imba map.

New champion? I don't think so. Jaedong lost his weakest matchup ZvT to a teammate on Terran maps. I don't think thats very surprising. Jaedong still has monster ZvP and Best ZvZ. How many legends have forGG beat compared to Jaedong? Thats right. Jaedong is still #1 in terms of overall performance
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
se7en247
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States487 Posts
July 27 2008 02:14 GMT
#54
On July 27 2008 07:59 Februarys wrote:
New champion? I don't think so. Jaedong lost his weakest matchup ZvT to a teammate on Terran maps. I don't think thats very surprising. Jaedong still has monster ZvP and Best ZvZ. How many legends have forGG beat compared to Jaedong? Thats right. Jaedong is still #1 in terms of overall performance


Well he beat Flash, Sea, and Kal on his way to the final so id say new champion.
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YazorblaZZ
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden2 Posts
July 27 2008 14:19 GMT
#55
Agreed.. if we're gonna start listing how the players could have played otherwise I could just as well state that forgg didn't play his best either and you could'nt disprove it.. lets just stay to the facts? 3-0 is a pretty heavy message imo..
Februarys
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Korea (South)259 Posts
July 27 2008 21:38 GMT
#56
On July 27 2008 11:14 se7en247 wrote:
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On July 27 2008 07:59 Februarys wrote:
New champion? I don't think so. Jaedong lost his weakest matchup ZvT to a teammate on Terran maps. I don't think thats very surprising. Jaedong still has monster ZvP and Best ZvZ. How many legends have forGG beat compared to Jaedong? Thats right. Jaedong is still #1 in terms of overall performance


Well he beat Flash, Sea, and Kal on his way to the final so id say new champion.


and Jaedong didn't beat those 3 previously in a BO5 either?

Not including those, but JD also recently eliminated Much, Shuttle, Hwasin through recent tournaments.

I don't think the current #1 should drop down to #2 just because he lost 1 set (a very important set but still)

Just because you're #1 in the world does not mean you can win every single games
Jaedong is the Hope of Zergs.
Fx_
Profile Joined April 2008
503 Posts
July 30 2008 04:04 GMT
#57
I wait for a game Flash vs JD
because in that games both will try to prove his TvZ ans ZvT after their terrible defeats fOrGG and Luxury
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