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Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-19 07:27:19
July 19 2007 06:55 GMT
#1
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I don’t trust statistics—never have. That’s not to say I don’t study them or use them as a starting point for many of my StarCraft-based arguments, but I don’t like to rely on them. When it comes to predicting the outcome of a particular match, I’m much more likely to trust my own intuition regarding the players and maps than believe what the statistics say about both parties.

My feelings on this OSL final are no exception. The statistics, without a doubt, are on GGPlay’s side. Compared to Iris in TvZ/ZvT, GGPlay has a better career record, a better record since the beginning of 2006, and a better record since April of 2007. This final statistic is perhaps the most meaningful: GGPlay is 13-5 during that span of time, whereas Iris is only 5-3. While the difference in percentage isn’t huge, it’s important to note just how much ZvT GGPlay has been playing. In this OSL, he’s only had to play one game against a non-Terran opponent. Iris has faced considerably more racial diversity, and while he has played four TvZs this OSL, his most-recent games were against Stork. Iris has only had a week to prepare for this Bo5. GGPlay, one could argue, has been preparing for it since the beginning of June.

Then there are the maps. Thanks largely to GGPlay, who is 4-0 on the map, Zerg players are a perfect 7-0 ZvT on Fantasy. Hitchhiker, despite looking like a Terran wonderland, is currently 13-12 in favor of the swarm. Python is sitting at 20-18 in favor of Terran—not exactly a blowout—and while Monty Hall currently favors Terran 12-8, Savior, Silver, and GGPlay have all shown the ability to win on it. All told, the maps are just fine for ZvT. So a player with GGPlay’s ZvT statistics should have no problem taking down a player like Iris on this set of maps… right?

Well, no. And the reason is this: Iris has looked unstoppable as of late. He looked sharp against Savior, and he looked invincible against Stork. I challenge anyone to watch Iris’ Bo5 against Stork and point to something that Iris did wrong. When I extended that challenge to Jathin, he said, “There was a point when a vulture died unnecessarily. He could have, y’know, moved it.” That’s basically the extent of it. Iris’ execution was flawless.

But I don’t mean to sell GGPlay short. Despite his series against Flash ending 3-2, GGPlay only made one real mistake during that set of games, but it was a big one: his ill-advised mutalisk-zergling attack on Python, that vain attempt to save his newly-hatched expansion. Aside from that debacle, GGPlay’s play was practically a work of art. His timing, micromanagement, and decision-making were all spot-on. Even though Iris, in my mind, is the favorite to win the OSL, GGPlay is playing as well as he ever has; anyone who denies his ability to win this series is making a huge mistake.



OSL Finals
July 21
19:00 Korean


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Iris (T)

vs.

GGPlay (Z)

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Game 1 – Python

Python is a very standard map, and I expect very standard play from both players. GGPlay's goal has to be, one way or another, to secure a gas expansion beyond his natural for an extended period of time. Though this is a pretty typical goal in ZvT, it's more difficult on Python due to how the map forces Terran activity. The map's relatively low mineral count—as opposed to a map like Longinus—means that Terrans must be constantly pressuring, scouting, and actively using their armies. Turtling until they have a nearly-unstoppable blob of troops isn't an option. The map's wide open middle means that, for Terrans, numerous small skirmishes are preferable to a single large one. Bunker rushing is a viable option on Python, but whether Iris attempts to or not, I'm predicting that he makes a second command center before his refinery so as to be able to more-easily replenish his army as he relentlessly hunts for expansions.

Game 2 – Fantasy

Iris surprised me with aggressive play against Stork on Fantasy, but I don't think it will work against a Zerg. If Iris spawns in the lower-right and GGPlay in the upper-left, for instance, GGPlay could literally start creep colonies and finish the sunken upgrade in the time it would take Iris to travel between the two bases. Being that pro-gamers look to develop and practice consistent strategies that will work at any starting position, look for Iris, like Flash, to try to gain an early economic advantage one way or another. Barring anything non-standard from Iris, GGPlay is my pick to win on Fantasy.

Game 3 – Hitchhiker

I've never liked Hitchhiker; it's too easy, in my mind, for Terrans to abuse the narrow passages. But that hasn't stopped Zergs from finding success on it, and I can only commend them for that. After watching Flash's massive, SCV-cut tank push from last week, I have a hard time believing that Iris won't try something similar. He is the "Berserker Terran," after all. If GGPlay can survive to the late-game, however, Iris could be in trouble. We've all seen how effectively GGPlay makes use of defilers, and defilers show their true strength in narrow passages. My own preference on Hitchhiker is to start climbing the tech tree towards mutalisks before adding a third hatchery. Doing so effectively counters an early tank push and, due to the cliffs above the natural expansions, can still prove effective against a Terran fast expand build. To my knowledge, however, only Savior and Yellow[Arnc] have taken my advice in this regard.

Game 4 – Monty Hall

I've heard many, many Zergs complain about Monty Hall, and after watching a lot of TvZs on the map, I've written their criticisms off as baseless; Monty Hall has a ton of gas, rewards players who expand frequently (read: Zergs), doesn't allow for bunker rushes, and has numerous flanking opportunities. GGPlay and Iris have only played one ZvT/TvZ apiece on Monty Hall, and both were virtuoso performances. I'm looking forward to this game more than any other in the series.

Game 5 – Python

I've said this regarding pretty much every Bo5 I've previewed, but the point is so important that I have to drive it home: as fans, there's nothing better than seeing a series go to a single, decisive game. In terms of sheer tension and entertainment, nothing in StarCraft can compare. Imagine the amount of time that GGPlay and Iris have practiced specifically for these games—somewhere in the realm of 100 hours each (assuming 14-hour days for a week). And in the end, it could all come down to one game, something that rarely takes more than a half hour. All that practice, all that devotion, over something that could be decided in the blink of an eye—it's the reason we love sports.

Here's what the rest of TL had to say:

Hot_Bid: "I believe [Iris] is absolutely dying to win this final. If he loses, he's going to go home and slit his wrists. He's angry, determined, and is probably practicing for this final with such a single-minded fervor that I really don't think anyone can match at this point."

RowdierBob: "Iris has to end the games before GGPlay can get a three-gas strong hive economy working, or at least gain a big advantage. GGPlay is pretty unstoppable if he gets his hive tech working with three gases in his possession."

Carnac: "[GGPlay's] late-game management rivals Savior's. If Iris doesn't succeed in damaging GGPlay in the early- to mid-game, he will have an extremely hard time beating him, no matter on how much of a roll he is."

ManaBlue: "You can see the fire in Iris' eyes every time he steps onto the OSL stage now. He's at the point where skill and practice are irrelevant. He's pissed, he's driven, he's coming to smash the world to pieces. If I were GGplay, I'd be terrified."
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
July 19 2007 07:07 GMT
#2
Nice write-up

Hopefully we'll see some good games in this series
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Tossik
Profile Joined July 2007
Russian Federation8 Posts
July 19 2007 07:11 GMT
#3
Iris go-go-go, i believe in you!
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
July 19 2007 07:11 GMT
#4
I still contend that Iris' recent success with Proactiv will lead to renewed confidence and subsequent urination on GGPlay.
SiZ.FaNtAsY
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)1497 Posts
July 19 2007 07:13 GMT
#5
Nice read ^^

I predict Iris will win the series he has "style". XD
Karma is a bitch
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
July 19 2007 07:19 GMT
#6
Very nice write up, I can't wait for the matches.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 19 2007 07:20 GMT
#7
Go GGPlay! 3-2
Quick fix: Game 5- "there's nothing better"
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DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
July 19 2007 07:27 GMT
#8
On July 19 2007 16:20 mikeymoo wrote:
Go GGPlay! 3-2
Quick fix: Game 5- "there's nothing better"

I actually caught and fixed that before posting this, but apparently I copy-pasted an old version of that final paragarph--irritating.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 19 2007 07:39 GMT
#9
Quite. Good writeup though.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
July 19 2007 08:12 GMT
#10
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istealhotelsoap
Profile Joined February 2007
United States514 Posts
July 19 2007 08:17 GMT
#11
^ those are some gosu eyes
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
July 19 2007 08:25 GMT
#12
^ Iris lost his irises?
Vin{MBL}
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
5185 Posts
July 19 2007 08:37 GMT
#13
nice hype~~~~
i think iris really has this DOWN!
ManaBlue
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Canada10458 Posts
July 19 2007 08:41 GMT
#14
Incredible preview DJ!

The analysis of the maps is so thorough, you've given me a lot to think about as I watch the games unfold. I'm so pumped! Finals time rules!
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 19 2007 09:05 GMT
#15
On July 19 2007 17:25 Jyvblamo wrote:
^ Iris lost his irises?
Nocturne
Profile Joined July 2007
Korea (South)155 Posts
July 19 2007 10:28 GMT
#16
thanks for the preview! hope the bo5 finals can offer really exciting matches
dementus
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Singapore1151 Posts
July 19 2007 13:48 GMT
#17
i just love the writeup, etter~
"I couldn't stop myself from having unreal macro and sick timing senses."
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 19 2007 14:02 GMT
#18
IRISI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOGO IRIS

HYPE.
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
July 19 2007 14:20 GMT
#19
great write up, i enjoyed the "rest of tlnet had to say" part ;D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
July 19 2007 15:45 GMT
#20
IRIS FIGHTING!
I'll call Nada.
DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
July 19 2007 17:46 GMT
#21
I agree with Hot_Bid... Iris probably wants this more than anyone, so I think he will pull through... but Im kinda rooting for GGplay since terran is gay -_-
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
July 19 2007 20:23 GMT
#22
This is going to be an insane matchup. I think it's too close a matchup to call... GGPlay has been beating all kinds of top level terrans, just coming off of beating Hwasin and before that, Flash. Not to mention that he's been playing a lot of terrans this entire tournament, taking out Casey and UpMagic early on. Against Hwasin he displayed a lot of grit and determination and ingenuity to pull out a win in the third game coming from behind.
On the other hand, Iris is the one who took Savior out of this OSL. His last game was Stork, yes, where, I hate to say it (being a Stork fan), he owned. But immediately previous to Stork he took out the #1 Kespa ranked player considered the top zerg in the world right now. AND last OSL he barely lost to, again, Savior, who ended up winning last seasons OSL. Honestly, watching through lots of Iris (including vs savior) vids and GGPlay vids, I'd put Savior's play above GGPlay. Just a little better defiler micro and scourge micro.
So, on that basis I almost have to bet on Iris for this match. Iris about equal with Savior, Savior better than GGPlay means Iris > GGPlay.
BUT.. I also noticed that Iris tends to be fairly unimaginative with his TvZ. He goes almost entirely medic/marines (later with science vessels) every time. Even late game he doesn't much use tanks, or even firebats, that I've seen. So I'm thinking that maybe GGPlay's ingenuity will break Iris's rigidity in this matter.
All considered, I really can't decide who I favor to win. If I had to choose, I'd bet on Iris.
But whatever happens, game 5 will be a lot of fun to watch :D
aka Moletrap
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
July 19 2007 20:28 GMT
#23
To add more to the uncertainty.... I just noticed both Iris and GGPlay got eliminated by some random people in the MSL qualifiers. Iris lost to a protoss (after pwning Stork!?!?) and GGPlay lost to a terran I can't find on any team roster. WTF.
aka Moletrap
HappyFeetO_O
Profile Joined June 2007
China350 Posts
July 20 2007 00:32 GMT
#24
I think Iris deserves it more than GGPlay.
Bird sings why the caged I know
neotoss
Profile Joined January 2003
China217 Posts
July 20 2007 01:40 GMT
#25
Incredible good write up!
Tomorrow is the MATCH!
Tea
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2 Posts
July 20 2007 11:38 GMT
#26
I am sooooo pumped for this match up! I can't wait omg!!!@@ GO GGPLAY <3
Tea
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
July 20 2007 19:01 GMT
#27
i think will be 3-2 for IRIS
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